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    Incidences of other viral disease

    I haven't seen mentioned or discussed anywhere that I frequent, the effect that the lock down has or will have on other viral diseases.

    I wonder if there will be a big flare up in a few years of say chicken pox as there will be a bigger pool of kids who haven't it assuming the lockdown wiped it out here.

    You never know they might find other interesting things in the data as well eventually. Perhaps they will see some strange pattern of lower amounts of cancer or Alzheimer's and discover a cause. A bit like HPV.


    Anyone seen anything out there discussing the implications in general on health?

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    Re: Incidences of other viral disease

    Quote Originally Posted by Kumagoro View Post
    I haven't seen mentioned or discussed anywhere that I frequent, the effect that the lock down has or will have on other viral diseases.

    I wonder if there will be a big flare up in a few years of say chicken pox as there will be a bigger pool of kids who haven't it assuming the lockdown wiped it out here.

    You never know they might find other interesting things in the data as well eventually. Perhaps they will see some strange pattern of lower amounts of cancer or Alzheimer's and discover a cause. A bit like HPV.


    Anyone seen anything out there discussing the implications in general on health?
    I can find out for you, I know people in PHE. They think there could be a drop in STIs as a lot of the casual unprotected sex will have been dampened over the last few months. If people got treatment then the drop could be significant. The current climate however could see a lot of recklessness as pent-up frustration gets unleashed, so only time will tell. As one person put it: "It's a good time to be a single party animal" (if that's your scene). Just wear protection (at both ends....)

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    Re: Incidences of other viral disease

    Quote Originally Posted by Kumagoro View Post
    I haven't seen mentioned or discussed anywhere that I frequent, the effect that the lock down has or will have on other viral diseases.

    I wonder if there will be a big flare up in a few years of say chicken pox as there will be a bigger pool of kids who haven't it assuming the lockdown wiped it out here.

    You never know they might find other interesting things in the data as well eventually. Perhaps they will see some strange pattern of lower amounts of cancer or Alzheimer's and discover a cause. A bit like HPV.


    Anyone seen anything out there discussing the implications in general on health?
    In general the NHS is dreading winter. NHS England are planning for a three pronged assault on a public health system which already struggles badly in winter. There's the huge backlog of elective work which needs doing and a lot of stuff that will have got lots worse due to the delay or people not presenting. There's the usual winter pressures which are crippling and then the strong liklihood of COVID measures still being in place, creating a huge strain. I had to do a presentation on how we recover from this recently.

    I wasn't very hopeful.

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    Re: Incidences of other viral disease

    On the one hand there are small victories, but on the other having hospitals run 50% capacity means 5-7 years wait for people before anything gets done. Last time we had this was back in 97. Blair came in and essentially gave private hospitals a ton of money to help bring the list down. NHS has asked the govt for that extra funding, the govt have said refused.

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    Re: Incidences of other viral disease

    Quote Originally Posted by philehidiot View Post
    NHS England are planning
    Well that's already an improvement (Not them really, I know)

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    Re: Incidences of other viral disease

    China is sadly reporting cases of bubonic plague, but I have no other info other than that.
    Cheers, David



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    Re: Incidences of other viral disease

    Quote Originally Posted by g8ina View Post
    China is sadly reporting cases of bubonic plague, but I have no other info other than that.
    There are a couple of thousand cases of bubonic plague worldwide every year and a handful of them are in China. China is a bit like India in that you have incredibly low-tech places and highly advanced areas. The end result is that the low-tech places get plague but the reporting systems are in place to allow the highly advanced government to clamp down fast and treat aggressively.

    As a result, China gets plague, the cases get reported and action is swift and incredibly effective. The real poor countries just won't get the cases reported most likely. Controlling these outbreaks is something they are really good at and it's why they were well placed to lock down Wuhan so fast. The problem is, locking down a small village out of the way is fairly straightforward, and one heavy lift helicopter a day will carry enough food and water for all the civilians and government workers with little real difficulty. Distribution is easy by a few chaps in appropriate full body wellies.

    They did it in Wuhan and were effective in closing roads, setting up checkpoints, having the kit and people trained and plans all ready to go. There was however, no way their supply system could work for an area that size, so to stop people leaving their houses to find food, etc, they just welded the doors shut.

    This would explain why they can say they had so few coronavirus deaths, yet just one funeral home got two deliveries of 2,500 urns each and another had 3,500 urns stacked up outside. This was in March and we can reasonably conclude is likely a result of artificial mass famine and cracking open these sealed houses and apartment blocks and burning the dead.

    But I am an idiot, so who knows. I might be working on old information.

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