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    Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    Im in the process of upgrading, currently i run,

    intel i5 7600k
    Asus Rog Strix 270g (matx)
    16gb ram
    CORSAIR MP510b 480GB PCIe M.2 NVMe
    750w PSU
    1060 rog strix

    Now im upgrading but i cannot decide on intel, or AMD.

    AMD has the added benefit of having the pci 4 for the m.2 drive. but my drive only supports 3 so its not really something i will see a difference with, always been with intel but stuck now.

    Has to be an mATX board due to case size, looking at the b460 intel range (a rog strix) and on amd it would be b450 tuf gaming board.

    As ive never used AMD what benefits if any would i see? i would get a intel i5 10600 if intel and an AMD ryzen 3600 if AMD

    So thoughts? suggestions?

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    Re: Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    Budget?? What is the speed of the RAM you have??

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    Re: Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    What will you be using the system for? That could influence whether or not you'll see a worthwhile difference.

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    Re: Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    It all depends on your budget and what you want to do with your PC..and why you are upgrading.

    Honestly, if you are just gaming - I would not bother with a CPU upgrade at all and instead invest in a better GPU - your 1060 is what is going to be holding you back, not your i5.

    Add to that the fact that the new AMD CPUs (which are generally the best option at the moment if you really did want to upgrade) are as rare as the 30 series GPUs and thats likely to be the case for another 3-6 months...and yeah, better off keeping what you have

    edit: I was wrong in some of the above - you can indeed get the 5600 & 5800X fairly easily at the moment - its only the top end components that are not really available.
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    Re: Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    PCIe 4 will be turned off on a B450 board, so if that is of interest you need a B550.

    I have a B450m Gaming TUF board in one of my machines, and just got the B550M Gaming TUF board for my wife. The B550 board is another 50% in cost, but definitely a better board.

    But looking at the 3600 benchmarks vs your 7600K here: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15787...selling-cpu/14

    that looks a really marginal upgrade at best, so you probably want a 5600X to make that upgrade worthwhile. It does very much depend on what you intend to do with the machine. If you are compiling code a 3600 will be much faster.

    So I would say if you are gaming then unless you want to throw £280 for the CPU (Curry's price, they turn up quite often) and £144 for the B550M motherboard then don't bother.

    The B550 is partly because a B450 board won't take a 5600X cpu out the box, you don't have an old CPU to re-flash it but the B550M TUF Gaming has a bios flashback button so you don't have to worry about that trap.

    I agree that a GPU upgrade would be better for gaming, not that they are easy to get either.

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    Re: Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    AT gaming benchmarks are generally a bit weird - HUB/Techspot does more extensive benchmarks. They even showed how the Ryzen 5 1600 went from being thrashed by the Core i5 7600K to holding its own. In a number of titles a Ryzen 5 1600 can thrash a Core i5 7600K.

    Personally in 2021,I can see the Core i5 7600K being more and more of an issue,in frametime consistency.



    HUB/Techspot does much better gaming benchmarks - in framerate consistency and average framerates the Ryzen 5 3600 is significantly faster. Its a decent upgrade.

    Also remember as time progresses,the Core i5 7600K will be worth less and less,so its worth selling it when it has some value.

    HUB/Techspot recently published their best CPU list,and basically bypassed the Ryzen 5 5600X due to its cost even though they thought its an excellent CPU:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvskkQJ5lpo

    Unless you have a decent GPU,I would save the rest of the budget for a GPU upgrade.The Ryzen 5 5600X isn't worth the excessive cost,which is £100 over a Ryzen 5 3600.



    Now if you really want to go all in on the CPU
    ,just bypass the stop-gap Ryzen 5 5600X. AMD is just opportunistically pricing its Ryzen 5 3600 replacement,£100 higher because it can. Intel is going to price its Core i5 11600K/Core i5 11600KF close to what you can get the Core i5 10600K/Core i5 10600KF is now from leaked pricing. I suspect then AMD will then drop pricing. So if you want a Ryzen 5 5600X,wait another 2~3 months.Based on the price/performance of a £175 Ryzen 5 3600,at best a Ryzen 5 5600X should be around £230.

    Also,if you intend to keep the CPU for another 4~5 years,going by historical trends,the 6C CPUs look OK now,but the 8C CPUs will just show greater consistency in a few years. Just look at the Core i5 7600K which looked perfectly fine against the Ryzen CPUs a few years ago. The new consoles will make sure this happens - ATM most console titles will be made for the older generation,so why a Ryzen 5 5600X or Core i5 10600K look OK against their higher core count cousins. This won't be the case in a few years. This is why I wouldn't go too crazy on paying for a 6C CPU.

    However,the Ryzen 7 5800X has dropped in price quite a bit now.

    You can get this Ryzen 5 5800X bundle with an MSI Mortar B550M motherboard for £480:
    https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/580...r-matx-3655650

    The MSI Mortar itself is a £140 motherboard,so a Ryzen 7 5800X for £340,is on a per core basis cheaper than the Ryzen 5 5600X. Also going even further forward a few years,I can see the Ryzen 7 having better resale value,and having more utility as a CPU used in a secondary rig. For essentially £60~£70 price increase over a £280+ Ryzen 5 5600X its worth it IMHO.
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    Re: Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    Add to that the fact that the new AMD CPUs (which are generally the best option at the moment if you really did want to upgrade) are as rare as the 30 series GPUs and thats likely to be the case for another 3-6 months...and yeah, better off keeping what you have
    That's not true at all, the 5600X and 5800X have been readily available for weeks now, and the 3000 series are still readily available. The dual-chiplet Zen3 12/16 variants are more scarce but not what the OP is interested in.

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    Re: Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    It might be also prudent to see how Intel Cometlake fares too!

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    Re: Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    My honest view is that unless something isn't running or is taking a very long time to run on your current system I'd not upgrade. The market for CPUs is supply constrained so pricing has risen. If it can wait, I'd give it a year and see what happens.

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    Re: Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    It seems the Core i5 10600KF is only £185 on Ebuyer:
    https://www.ebuyer.com/974715-intel-...x8070110600kf?



    One of these motherboards will do the trick:
    https://www.ebuyer.com/974329-msi-z4...ard-z490-a-pro
    https://www.ebuyer.com/974326-msi-mp...90-gaming-plus


    If you are running the CPU at stock this should be fine IMHO:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cooler-Mast.../dp/B0068OI7T8

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    Re: Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    I mean wow i wasn't expecting this much info XD Either way i went through it all and after extensive research, i ended up upgrading my daughters pc with an AMD 2600X and my own rig with an intel based setup, the i5 10600k to be exact, along with an ASUS ROG strix mATX mobo.

    The other half's rig is getting a new AMD cpu later next week, she's undecided mind!

    GPU wise i don't really have any issue with my 1060 as i only game in 1080p at 75hz max, no intention of going up further as it doesn't really appeal to me

    I do multi task though and that is where the i5 7600k was showing its age, two monitors bluestacks and ark tend to stress the system, does run fairly well though considering its age!

    Thanks for the input as it did help in upgrading the daughters CPU so just waiting for the new parts to come now
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    Re: Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by watercooled View Post
    That's not true at all, the 5600X and 5800X have been readily available for weeks now, and the 3000 series are still readily available. The dual-chiplet Zen3 12/16 variants are more scarce but not what the OP is interested in.
    Fair enough, I had only checked on the 5900X stock and going off the news from AMD that we're to expect short supplies until at least the summer...plus a friend of mine who's PC from scan keeps being delayed due to AMD availability.

    The 5800X etc do indeed appear to be in stock. Updated my post above with the correction!

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    Re: Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    Nice now i have the upgrade bug kicking in...cheers guys

    Looking at the GPU,

    I only game in 1080p and at 75hz, chance of my going up is low, maybe up the hz but i wont go above 1080p no need for me too.

    The 1060 does me well, but my other half's 970gtx could do with being replaced, so! my 1060 will drop into her rig,

    Which makes me look at 1660s, 2060s are just way to overpriced for my liking right now, I've read lots of conflicting reviews regarding the 1060 6gb vs the 1660 6gb, so id rather get so honest reviews and answer from you guys that have more than likely got a more unbiased view
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    Re: Not another intel vs amd help thread!

    Now is perhaps not the ideal time to be upgrading GPU if you're happy with what you already have.

    Unless you're desperate or able to grab one at or close to RRP, I wouldn't touch the grossly overpriced ones with a bargepole, same thing for buying from scalpers where you will likely get no warranty etc at best and could be dealing with a scammer in some cases.

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