Wow, am I really seeing #CurfewForMen trending on Twitter

[Kovoet]

I spent seven years with the cops thank god I never had to put up with today's criminals. I was in the cops in Africa and but here it's all red tape and when you catch someone they are on the streets not long afterwards.

[g8ina]

I dont do Twatter, but I am like Big Brother, I am watching you lot

Careful now, down with that sort of thing !

[Kovoet]

I dont do Twatter, but I am like Big Brother, I am watching you lot

Careful now, down with that sort of thing !

I'm an angel mate

[ik9000]

I'm an angel mate

so you're buffy?

[Kovoet]

so you're buffy?

Wouldn't mind her money

[Ttaskmaster]

I spent seven years with the cops thank god I never had to put up with today's criminals. I was in the cops in Africa

I thought so, from your username.
Fairly sure I made some comment about it involving Ouma rusks at some point, too, but it's been years since....

[Kovoet]

I thought so, from your username.
Fairly sure I made some comment about it involving Ouma rusks at some point, too, but it's been years since....

Now that's a name I have not heard of for a long time Ouma's Rusks

[Ttaskmaster]

Now that's a name I have not heard of for a long time Ouma's Rusks

Really?
I used it just last week - There's a shop in Maidenhead, where I get my Ouma, Robertson's spices, TV bars, Tennis biscuits and all the other yummy stuff produced in SA. I know there are decent SA shops in London, but this one is closer and always has fully stocked shelves!

[Scuber]

This movement reminds me of the reaction that was made to the proposed law of forced vasectomies:

https://www.al.com/politics/2020/02/...ies-at-50.html

Both have stemmed from statements that were made in jest.

I find it hilarious how both reactions have been hypocritical.

[Galant]

If a large percentage of women really do feel frightened on the streets my initial thoughts would be:
Take a look at possible infrastructure changes/commonalities - for example, increased streetlighting (and other such things) could those alleviate the issue?
Return to the older policing philosophy of more cops on the streets walking beats - combined with a more community minded policing (and not some state-police mindset).

As always, so much of the issues seen are best fixed by the community coming together and figuring out what's going on, and not by legislating the heck out everything - applying the government ban-hammer, so to speak.

[[GSV]Trig]

Yeha, its all a bit of a shhh show..

You can see how women have gotten to the point that they have, but that doesn't make the reaction logical, but when you get BLM 'protests' being left to go on, and football stuff where its mainly men, everything gets ignored, but once a load of women try to march it gets shut down, and yeah I know if you start on a load of BLM or football lot its likely to escalate rather quickly where a group of women is likely to be easier to shut down and cause less collateral damage, of course, that's not how it will be seen or span but still...

[ik9000]

This movement reminds me of the reaction that was made to the proposed law of forced vasectomies:

https://www.al.com/politics/2020/02/...ies-at-50.html

Both have stemmed from statements that were made in jest.

I find it hilarious how both reactions have been hypocritical.

Really? Hypocritical? Which reactions and how have they been hypocritical?

If someone had changed "men" to [take your pick] blacks/hispanics/women/trans folk/etc there would rightly have been a backlash both at the concept of curfewing any of those, and also at the underlying brazen attitude at posting such thoughts publicly as if they had a legitimate place in public debate. This is no different just because it's aimed at men. The concept is flawed and is itself hypocritical/some might even say bigotted. It deserves the same ire and disdain as if someone had posted it in relation to one of those other groups. That is just applying consistency to the matter.

[matts-uk]

If someone had changed "men" to [take your pick] blacks/hispanics/women/trans folk/etc there would rightly have been a backlash both at the concept of curfewing any of those, and also at the underlying brazen attitude at posting such thoughts publicly as if they had a legitimate place in public debate.

Did you listen to the Baroness' speech and later clarification? The words used were, "...I might actually..." Words that are commonly used in debate to delineate an ironic suggestion. Translated from irony to literally, the words, "I might actually," typically mean the proposal that follows is so provocative and inflammatory, "I never would." The Twitter Storm broke out when opposing politicians and tabloid journalists exploited the opportunity to strip away the context and create some click bait.

The Baroness was attempting a bit of "Alf Garnett" humour. If you think a curfew for men sounds ridiculous, hold that thought. That is how ridiculous victim blaming women for being the target of 'male' violence sounds to some other people. The Baroness was responding to a statement by South London Police suggesting specifically women should stay at home.

They call it 'male' violence because the stats bear out that violence of all kinds, against men, women, children, animals, inanimate objects, is predominately instigated and perpetrated by males. The stats also bear out that the vast, vast majority of sexual harassment and attacks against women go unreported.

The subtext to the Twitter storm was pointed out by Jess Phillips on C4 News last week. Those we pay to deal with the problem, are not dealing with the problem. The Police claim lack of resources to investigate. The CPS claim insufficient evidence to prosecute...And no one bats an eye when South London Police imply the female victim brought it on themselves, by walking down a main road in the capital at 9.30PM in the evening, wearing Winter clothes.

Speaking personally, I find Trial by Twitter deeply disturbing but in this case, I support the thrust of the discussion. We have managed to deter slimy old men from preying on women in the workplace. Isn't it about time we deterred similar unwanted attention being directed at women in the street? I've never been comfortable even over-hearing it and a little bit of sick comes up when I hear anecdotes of builders cat calling and propositioning school aged children.

[virtuo]

If it means I can continue being antisocial at home, playing games, watching tv and breaking code, I'm all for a curfew for men.

Last time I'm getting sent out at 10pm for chocolate and/or wine

[Saracen999]

....

Speaking personally, I find Trial by Twitter deeply disturbing but in this case, I support the thrust of the discussion. We have managed to deter slimy old men from preying on women in the workplace. Isn't it about time we deterred similar unwanted attention being directed at women in the street? I've never been comfortable even over-hearing it and a little bit of sick comes up when I hear anecdotes of builders cat calling and propositioning school aged children.

Slimy old men? Slimy creeps with power more likely. And it wasn't done by banning all men from the workplace, or even suggesting something so fatuous to promote discussion.

Oh, and women aren't the only ones that have been preyed on by slimy creeps with power, either.

For the record, there are quite a few places you won't catch me walking alone, at night, either and I'd bet my chances of being mugged, attacked and seriously hurt are far higher than that of a lone female happening to come across a sexual predator. Taking sensible precautions to avoid placing one's self in risky situations is, well, common sense.

Does someone, male or female, somehow "deserve" what happens is they take risks? Of course not.

But suggesting curfewing all men is farcical if serious, and intellectually lazy and peurile if just to promote debate.

Oh, and for that matter, by and large, and notwithstanding either violence against women or my chances of getting mugged if I go to certain places, especially if flashing a new iPhone and gold Rolex, this country is still generally pretty safe. I can think of a number of places in some other countries I wouldn't feel safe walking in, in broad daylight, surrounded by a squad of SAS troopers. And a tank.

[ik9000]

Slimy old men? Slimy creeps with power more likely. And it wasn't done by banning all men from the workplace, or even suggesting something so fatuous to promote discussion.

Oh, and women aren't the only ones that have been preyed on by slimy creeps with power, either.

For the record, there are quite a few places you won't catch me walking alone, at night, either and I'd bet my chances of being mugged, attacked and seriously hurt are far higher than that of a lone female happening to come across a sexual predator. Taking sensible precautions to avoid placing one's self in risky situations is, well, common sense.

Does someone, male or female, somehow "deserve" what happens is they take risks? Of course not.

But suggesting curfewing all men is farcical if serious, and intellectually lazy and peurile if just to promote debate.

Oh, and for that matter, by and large, and notwithstanding either violence against women or my chances of getting mugged if I go to certain places, especially if flashing a new iPhone and gold Rolex, this country is still generally pretty safe. I can think of a number of places in some other countries I wouldn't feel safe walking in, in broad daylight, surrounded by a squad of SAS troopers. And a tank.

yeah, I've been in countries where you don't go out after dark, and the one time we got our timings wrong and had to walk back in the dark was an interesting experience. Definitely one for sticking to main roads, and jogging-it through the worst bits. It's always an experience bumping into armed patrols on the unlit paths too. And getting your bags searched for concealed weapons and grenades. Yeah weird times. And that was in a relatively secure place compared to some of its immediate neighbours