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    Vegetarians in here...

    I'm not a veggie myself but I'm just interested to know what people feel about this.

    BBC News

    Discuss...
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    Never mind vegetarians, I sure don't fancy it much. Rather have Quorn TBH.

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    I suppose there would be much less chance of infected meat like BSE, although still unknown if cloned meat is ok?

    More importantly, it would probably bring down costs of food, and could help poor countrys a lot.

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    It's not real meat is it...

    I mean it hasn't walked around and stuff. Where's the muscle grow from? Surely it would be all fat.

    Can you tell I'm not a vegetarian, not that there's anything wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by |SilentDeath|
    I suppose there would be much less chance of infected meat like BSE, although still unknown if cloned meat is ok?

    More importantly, it would probably bring down costs of food, and could help poor countrys a lot.
    For a cost of only 3000 sheilds you too can eliminate starvation in your city! Surely Sid meirs should be recognised for his true prescient genius? What will be next? Arcologies? The incubation center? Maybe even the Mind Controller!

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    Doesn't it also lead to making a lot of people redundant - farmers, abattoir workers etc

    I wish i knew more about history. How far back to you go to find a countryside that didn't have cattle, sheep or pigs being reared for food?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolph
    Doesn't it also lead to making a lot of people redundant - farmers, abattoir workers etc

    I wish i knew more about history. How far back to you go to find a countryside that didn't have cattle, sheep or pigs being reared for food?
    Pretty much before civilization, since farming is basically what brought about the development of technology, well, that and war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by |SilentDeath|
    although still unknown if cloned meat is ok?
    This isn't cloned meat. Cloned animals start out with any cell, and an egg. In this experiment muscle cells are made to divide, like bacteria do. This is a natural process and bears no resembelance to the way animals are cloned.

    This meat is no different to what you would buy in a supermarket now-a-days. Except that it will be grown hydroponically instead of on an animal

    Wikipedia on Hydroponics

    I for one think its a great idea. It will give us cheaper meat with no wasted energy such as respiration, reproduction and movment. This could give you the best damn steak you've ever eaten

    GO TEAM SCIENCE

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    I don't care what the UK Vegetarian Society says - if this happens, there *will* be some people that go back to eating meat. Myself? I'm an omnivore anyway. Sometimes I have veggie days where I don't eat meat, but that's just because I dont feel like it.

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    for some reason when i read the title i expected the post to be something along the lines of GET OUT

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilMunky
    for some reason when i read the title i expected the post to be something along the lines of GET OUT
    lol

    Anyway, I'm all for it. Who cares if it's meat grown in a big vat. I reckon they should just genetically engineer them to have no head, just a throat to which is connected a feeding tube, another one at the other end for waste, then use electric shocks to stimulate the muscle growth. It's got no head so it can't feel pain. Theoretically you could grow it to a huge size, and a la Restaurant at the End of the Universe, you just cut chunks off when you need it, leaving the 'animal' to recover in it's own time.

    So it's tasteless and rather horrible, but if you've watched any of these programs showing the suffering of animals (either while alive, or being killed) I'd still prefer lab grown to some mangy cow/sheep/chicken with open sores and god knows what diseases floating around inside it.

    Plus, it's far more economical. Aren't we always being told that a one cow requires enough grazing space to plant X tonnes of grain? This way you don't need any grazing space at all....
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    The dilemna for vegans and to a lesser extent some vegetarians will be whether or not this meat will be classed as a 'living thing' that is being 'killed'. The tissue is undoubtedly 'alive' and must be killed off and cooked for human consumption. Could be an interesting moral debate attached to this issue....


    Oh and I'm not a veggy, I'm a hungryvore, if it tastes nice and I'm hungry it goes in mah belleh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox0r
    The dilemna for vegans and to a lesser extent some vegetarians will be whether or not this meat will be classed as a 'living thing' that is being 'killed'. The tissue is undoubtedly 'alive' and must be killed off and cooked for human consumption. Could be an interesting moral debate attached to this issue....


    Oh and I'm not a veggy, I'm a hungryvore, if it tastes nice and I'm hungry it goes in mah belleh!
    Yeah, but sos a plant, they eat those, one of the main reasons i dont get that whole because its alive argument for veggieism

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBM
    I reckon they should just genetically engineer them to have no head, just a throat to which is connected a feeding tube, another one at the other end for waste, then use electric shocks to stimulate the muscle growth.
    Why have a cow without a head when you can just grow pure meat? Having a living, breathing, heatbeating animal is alot less efficient than meat grown on a membrane, floating on a nutrient lake. Also your idea enter the realm of genetic engineering which is frowned upon.

    The BBC has jumped on the "we all hate genetic engineering and cloning" without any knowledge of what this process will actually involve. Just like letting bacteria divide and multiply in a petri dish, muscle cells will be allowed to divide and multiply. Would you say growing bacteria is genetic engineering? I think not.

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    hey im a demi-veggie but more for health reasons than the animal debate. i think veggies still wont eat this cos the cells are taken from animals but then i suppose thats not suffering is it. also the sort of people who are veggies/vegan (ie hippies) often dont agree with cloning etc
    will this stuff be any healthier ie less fat?

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