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    Angry Acceptable punishment ?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/o...re/4894898.stm

    3 Children’s lives taken away due to her, and another young adult who'd been studying at uni. for at least 3 years, who had just past his engineering degree and didn’t know it.

    4 people dead. Up to 4 mothers and fathers have lost their sons.

    She gets 2 years. No doubt that will turn out to be less.

    I mean, some of the kids were not even wearing seat belts and at least one was in the boot of the car.

    4 lives......2 years.....

    I’m just astonished. Am I the only one who thinks this is far too lenient ?
    Its not as if this wasn’t preventable, or at least could have been a lot less tragic if basic safety precautions were followed.

    I just cant imagine what the family’s must be going through right now

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    Another failure for the british legal system, she'll be out in 12 months with good behaviour. To be fair on her though this is more accidental death due to neglegance, its not like she's gonna do it again any time soon, plus she's only got her own conscience to deal with at the end of the day.

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    heard about it on the radio.. seven people in the car, only one of the kids had a seatbelt? pretty aweful stuff

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    im not sure about anybody else but it was drummed into me from a very very young age that i should wear a seatbelt AT ALL TIMES, even in other peoples cars. my parents would even ask me to make sure i had.

    these days it comes as instinct to me, i dont even realise im doing it, i sit down and belt up.

    im not taking blame away from this woman, but as knox said, her conscience will be a much bigger punishment than prison, and i expect that to say she is sorry for what she did is an understatement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davos
    im not sure about anybody else but it was drummed into me from a very very young age that i should wear a seatbelt AT ALL TIMES, even in other peoples cars. my parents would even ask me to make sure i had.
    Likewise, I always wear a setabelt, likewise with crossing the road, I always look left and right multiple times, but i've seen loads of people just walk and look straight ahead.

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    Who on earth would allow SEVEN children to sit in a car with space for only four... And allow two of them in the BOOT? And the rest of them to not wear seatbelts?!

    She deserves all she gets... And she's going to have to live with what she's done for the rest of her life, which is the best punishment IMO.
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    Interesting to see that she was within the speed limit. This sort of thing highlights why it's important for drivers to be aware that other things are dangerous .i.e not wearing seatbelts, as opposed to having "speed kills" rammed down their throats. A speed camera would never pick up the fact she had 7 kids in the car or was driving badly but a police patrol car certainly would have done.

    Unfortunately people are dead and there's nothing that can bring them back, the punishment is unduely lenient in my opinion, however, it will always be on her conscience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/o...re/4894898.stm

    4 lives......2 years.....

    I’m just astonished. Am I the only one who thinks this is far too lenient ?
    Its not as if this wasn’t preventable, or at least could have been a lot less tragic if basic safety precautions were followed.

    I just cant imagine what the family’s must be going through right now

    Tragic.
    I agree, the sentence is pathetic, 4 families lives ruined, as well as her own, their lives will never be the same again, how can 2 years ever make up for that loss

    6 year ban? she shouldn't be allowed to drive again, you'd have a thought a nurse would have some idea about the injuries people can sustain from not wearing a belt

    Lets hope that others learn from her mistakes, the amount of children i see going back and too from the School i work in not wearing belts, standing up, kneeling on seats is unbelievable, i really don't understand it, should be basic safety in a car

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    I would say unbelieveable, and I really wish it was, but this is becoming all too common.

    Now I am all for alternative punishments to imprisonment, but c'mon, this woman did a VERY stupid thing..taking 7 kids in one car is bad enough, putting them in the boot is even worse, and then going on a MOTORWAY what you can't see out of your rear view mirror properly..that's just plain retarded.

    she should have been banned from driving for life as a start, and maybe a longer prison term (5yrs?) that would work out to be the 2 she has been sentenced with in the real world.

    I mean (illegal) drug users who cause no harm to anyone else get more than this - and I would bet most of them wouldn't even do something as stupid as that.

    Every day I am more and more convinced that when I finish my degree next year I want a job outside of the UK, it may not be much better in many developed countries round the world but there has got to be somewhere..

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    Just goes to show, speed itself does not kill: inappropriate use of speed (as in this case) and stupidity (also as in this case) does.

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    There's no excuse for cramming that many kids into a car - I don't care what the excuse was - if there aren't enough people to drive the kids that far, then you've got to make alternative arrangements.

    A horrible, horrible tragedy. This sort of thing makes me feel angry, upset and sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taz
    Just goes to show, speed itself does not kill: inappropriate use of speed (as in this case) and stupidity (also as in this case) does.
    Yes but without turning this into a speed arguement, think what would have happened if she had been going at 80 or 90mph instead? could have been a lot worse in that case..

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    I see it every day - toddlers / kids toddling round on the back seat with no belt on.

    Some parents just are not fit to parent IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shelley bda
    I agree, the sentence is pathetic, 4 families lives ruined, as well as her own, their lives will never be the same again, how can 2 years ever make up for that loss
    What, so if she'd got longer it would bring them all back to life?

    Two wrongs don't make a right. I personally don't see how giving her a longer sentence helps anyone. She'll have it on her conscience for the rest of her life and will almost certainly never overload her car again (although if she does, then fine, lock her up for a very long time). Although her stupidity has led to a terrible tragedy, I still don't think she's commited as serious an offence as say drink driving or doing a hit-and-run.

    If someone casually drops a crisp packet on a wet street and an OAP slips on it, breaks their hip and then dies in hospital of MRSA, do you prosecute that person for littering or manslaughter?

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    :'(

    I can see the points from both sides, yes she is responsable for the lives that have been lost, but what purpose would be served in giving her a much longer sentence although i do think that 2years isnt long enough but then again i think the whole justice system is a joke tbh , rave is right saying that she will have to live with that for the rest of her life. this is a hard one to judge if that was my someone i knew ie.. relative then i would probably argue that accidents happen and this was just that, but then again if i was the parent then i would want blood. At the end of the day she was resonsible for those people in the car and it was because of her bad judgement and irrisponsability that they are dead, so she should be punished, and she has been regardless of the time she will serve, her memories of the thing she has done will punish her for a lot longer (if she has anything about her anyway) ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rave
    What, so if she'd got longer it would bring them all back to life?

    Two wrongs don't make a right. I personally don't see how giving her a longer sentence helps anyone. She'll have it on her conscience for the rest of her life and will almost certainly never overload her car again (although if she does, then fine, lock her up for a very long time). Although her stupidity has led to a terrible tragedy, I still don't think she's commited as serious an offence as say drink driving or doing a hit-and run
    I still don't think 2 years is enough

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