sad that the headline has been that people find this video racist, rarther than the fact that a human being was decapatated
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11...itation_email/
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sad that the headline has been that people find this video racist, rarther than the fact that a human being was decapatated
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11...itation_email/
wierd, maybe I am just a complete racist myself, but I cant see the racism in that.
thats not racist at all.
and i thought it was white men who cant jump.
im sorry :(
The register always been a great source of reliable and serious information.
racism
1 racism, racialism, racial discrimination
discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race
2 racism
The prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
Watching a video of a guy (which happens to be black) losing his head is definitely racism to me.
Why? If he was white or any other race it would not make a difference surely. The e-mail is merely stating you shouldn't run from the police.
That is completely ridiculous. It really gets to me that people can get away with making homophobic, ageist, sexist, etc remarks and no one seems to have a problem with them. Yet people go completely over the top and make something out of nothing when it comes to racism. People should get over it already. There are enough problems in the world without having to make more for no good reason.
EDIT: Before anyone tries to be smart, I know racism is an issue but it's blown out of proportion.
M8 there was a key point in my post that you didnt seem to notice... Sarcasm
MadduckUK that is just wrong :lol:
ahh sorry, I think I am a bit slow today :embarrassed:
I used the register link as a reference article. This was reported on the BBC news yesterday and followed up with a detail of the charges this morning
Well i am sure most of us are tired with the way racism is covered by our media and politicians, nowadays when problems occurs between people of different races it seems to be impossible not to bring in the racism factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by McClane
Still the idea I tend to get from all this political correctness is that its fine to believe in anything as long as you don’t express it publicly.
Just so you know, it's not a video, it's a picture of a man's head on a spiked railing after he failed to clear it when running from the police
Its not racist in the slightest, its gory by chain email standards but certainly not racist.
I don't think it was a racist video, but the originator may have had racist intentions for it. I don't see why the 100 are getting disciplined simply for watching it (i'm extrapolating a bit, but i'm guessing that's what happened), sure it's a vile chain mail, but it says nowhere that they passed it on - just that 100 out of the 400 watched it.
No, I also don't see the racism in that, some guy runs from the Police, he was too n00bified to jump, and he fell.
If he didn't run he'd have been arrested, guess he chose the easier option at the time.
Someone has an overly-sarcastic and dark sense of humour :)
Can you please explain how the video or the watching of the video is eother of those?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mama Sumae
Whichever way you look at it, it is sick !
badass look at post 7, he was being sarcastic :)
Doh! :mrgreen:Quote:
Originally Posted by McClane
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Originally Posted by Mama Sumae
I think you misunderstand the article, the police said it "I am disappointed by the conduct of officers and staff who distributed this inappropriate image that some people may have perceived as being racist." The Register has its tounge in cheek on this one, just look at the title, "Police rapped over 'racist' email" notice the ' ' around racist?
The Intrinsic value of the video is Human nature's fascination with gory death.....he could have been black, white, purple, yellow with green dots or even have three heads.....the fascination would still have been the same.
I know, let's all search for incompetent WHITE felons who manage to decapitate themselves, post it on the internet, and see if anyone thinks that is racist..........Mama Sumae, you need to get out more!!
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Originally Posted by Dingo
Is nobody reading the whole post here??Quote:
Originally Posted by McClane
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Originally Posted by Knoxville
my views exactly
i'm usually very anti racism in threads, but this isn't racism, its just another for rotten.com
the fact he is black here is irrelevant. the same email would have gone round if he was white. Hate people jumping the gun automatically thinking its racist
And i wonder how much that lot cost the tax-payer :rolleyes:Quote:
The five-month-long investigation was conducted under the supervision of the Independent Police Complaints Commission
5 months investigation over a bloody email ? Shocking
How much do you want to bet a quick "lads, please dont forward emails like that" would have worked so much better ?
agent, spot on.
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Originally Posted by Dingo
Sorry have to disagree there...
If he had 3 heads wtf would the other 2 be doing, morning or would they die too?
hmnn it seems i did miss something, i guess you are right my bash at The Register was kind of unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by G4Z
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POST Disclaimer :)
Contrary to previous posts sarcasm is in no way present in any part of this post, any possible hidden message is limited to a deserved apology regarding my previous outburst towards The Register.
but when you say "sarcasm is in no way present in any part of this post" - is that in itself sarcasm?
i found the previously mention BBC Article here
Doesn’t add much to the Register's article but during my search i did find a great number of other similar articles regarding impropriate emails being passed by police officers. Most of it with homophobic, racist or sexist content so it might help explain the overgrown proportion of this case.
Still the claims for tougher punishment from the president of the Black Police Association are ridiculous; I ask myself how many of the officers that saw the video in the first place were black.
like it or not that video is hilarious
See now i need to make a post disclairmer disclaimer...Quote:
Originally Posted by MadduckUK
Ben how can u say that is funny! that is just plain sick... anyway where did u see it? :mrgreen:
The issue, as I see it, isn't so much it was racist... that IS missing the point.
The real issue is that some sick bugger sent a mail around titled "Don't run from the police" making a joke of another human's gruesome death.
Regardless of their colour, having a jibe at an individual's horrific and likely incredibly painful death is the worst thing about the mail.
And yeah, five months investigating it? No wonder there's no squad cars and coppers on the streets anymore...
i will try to remember where i saw it
but it is so good. the guy is running from the police, runs straight off the side of a building, big drop then the camera pans into his head which has been almost perfectly impaled on a spike on one of those metal fences and his body is lying on the floor! genius!
the reason for the investigation is undoubtedly due to the fact that it was a black guy, otherwise it would just be a 'sick email'
and nick if you saw the vid you would see that 'dont run from the police' is an adequate title because thats what got him into trouble!
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Originally Posted by Ben_
Its so good ????
genius ????
yeah
well u know, brutal but entertaining
everyone likes a bit of bloodsport, stop pretending to be so civilised
a criminal who fleas the law - and his this type of accident - thats their own fault. Agreed
But sending around videos of it and classing it as cool, seems a little strange.
Mortal Kombat - head ripping yes, cool, exciting
Real Human dying and being watched by many on the internet = sad that's what you enjoy.
The enjoyment of suffering of humans or animals in any form has always been something that escapes me.
Not pretending to be civilised, - I'm actually civilised enough to not enjoy it.
Perhaps for your next kick you could search out Ken Bigleys beheading
bah whatever
you havent even seen the vid for a start
then you get offensive. ken biggley killed by terrorists. stupid criminal dies in a rather comic way running from the police. the two are incomparable
Cant see the racism myself. Yes, it might get a good laugh out of the local bonehead copper. But in itself, no.
Some PC people like to cash in on the simple fact that the guy is black. A black person shown in a negative way, just has to be racist, right?
If we let things like this go, we will never see a blooper video of a black guy or any other guy of color falling over while dancing at a wedding.
Police on the other hand are just scummy little pricks that got bullied at school.
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Originally Posted by colinloves
lol... so true
police can be divided into two categories, bullied or bully
or good cop, bad cop
appeal to a bully by being a bully
appeal to the bullied by being extremely over polite
Heres an example.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...erson%21&hl=en
link dont work
Personally I think that people that say that are just scummy criminal little pricks.Quote:
Originally Posted by colinloves
Don't be ridiculous, why does the fact that he was (allegedly) a criminal (and probably only a petty thief or similar at that) make it acceptable to laugh at a video of his death? I agree it's not racist per se but it's not an acceptable use of police email systems or time either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben_
its acceptable to laugh because its a funny video
you guys seriously need to lighten up
exactly, so its amusing to watch a criminal die in a beheading, but its not ok to watch a terrorist behead someone.
I do appriciate what ben is trying to say in that, you couldn't have scripted his death better and looking at the irony of it is ammusing, almost like a poster for "obey the police - or else"
But the fact remains, this isn't a film, cartoon, computer game or cgi, its a human losing his life. I'm not bothered that he lost his life, he chose to gamble and run from the police, however I don't think watching it is cool.
I wasn't being offensive with regard to Ken Bigley, what I'm asking is - would you watch that ??
if not - why not, does the reason that persons head was cut off change its acceptable viewing ?
lighten up!!!!!!!!!! men are you retarded or something?
Do send us a video of someone close to you in the same situation so we can all have a good laugh.
Would you find that funny?
has anyone suggested just not watching it and shutting the hell up yet?
Turned into a good discussion this, although I think we've strayed from the origional topic a bit
Wow, glad I stayed out of this thread!
Wait... what am I doing in here?!
AAAaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh *runs away*
a criminal running from the law resulting in an unfortunate but as you say ironic death that in a lot of ways is quite amusing purely because its so astounding that such a thing could happen without a script
an innocent brit taken hostage by terrorists and then put to a brutal death and filmed as propaganda
the two are leagues apart
if you saw the video i think you'd relax a bit, its really not what your imagination is working it up into being ('dont run from the cops', NOT KEN BIGLEY!)
This is my PERSONAL opinion and not my current professional opinion.
It's possible that of the reason that the racist tag was attached to the investigation is the portion of the United States where this occurred, the Southeastern portion. This part of the country is much more sensitive to racial issues at times.
It's not necessarily fair in this case but we obviously don't know what went on inside the police department. Out of 400 officers in the Atlanta PD that watched it, I'm certain "some" were black. Now if racist comments were made inside the department then there is certainly NO PLACE FOR THAT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT (or anywhere else for that matter)! I was a cop for 17+ years. You have to trust the guy backing you up 100% or some officer is going to get hurt or killed.
So, "IF" there was a racially divisive element to the email influencing how black and non black officers interact, then an investigation of some sort was appropriate. Or, a memo stating that the next person who views OR circulates that email using department resources gets a 15 day unpaid vacation, you can bet it would have stopped. I mean damn, where's the IT guys in this?
BTW, I live in metro Atlanta and I have worked cases with Atlanta PD guys. Many cops in general are VERY jaded to stuff like this and I honestly don't think that the first jokes coming to their minds were racially centered. Most cops usually don't do that to each other.
Decapapatation? :D
i don't see why, you must see this kind of thing all the time in tech support for a memory co.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yellowbeard
Actually, there are many unfortunate users that manage to decapapate their memory:rolleyes:
yeah, sorry. Try this one:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben_
http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=1111
I work in an Industrial environment where watching safety videos of individuals crashing forklift trucks and dying as a result is not funny per se.....but to watch the sheer stupidity of some of their actions is.......but would it be funny to watch a guy deliberately run over someone with a forklift...NO....the stupidity and foolishness of people will always be a fascination, if it wasn't, why do ten million of the Great British public bother to watch Big Brother?.:undecidedQuote:
Originally Posted by ikonia
In a country where we do not have to strive, and rack our bodies for eighteen hours a day just to feed our families, where boredom of children is measured in how many new games they can buy\play, and excuses are made for poor behaviour because the kids "have nothing to do around here", the stupidity of other people is a legitimate distraction........the saying "everything's funny as long as it doesn't involve me" could never hold more true!!
Just imagine for a couple of seconds what kind of events and sights these guys see on a daily basis....Murders\RTA's\Paedophilia\Wife beatings etc.....and then think, really think, do you believe that their threshhold for macabre events and quirky accidents is heightened or lessened by their experiences?.......we may be shocked and appalled by the sight but to these guys it's an everyday event, they become hardened to it (if they didn't we wouldn't have a police force), so the humour level between professionals who see death and destruction every day is bound to be less acute than the everyday man who blanches at a razor cut in the morning and relives his personal Vietnam with his work colleauges for effect.....this is real life!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ikonia
Without being presumptuous, if you play FEAR\COD\Battlefield2 or any other online game that involves violence and killing, you are doing just that, after all, don't these games just reflect what is in reality "real life"?, except of course it suddenly becomes "acceptable" because the figures aren't real, except they were very real when men were actually losing their lives during the wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by ikonia
Grand Theft Auto is a prime example, in the game your'e just killing characters in a game, but live a real life on those same streets and your perception may change dramatically. It's funny how we baulk at "real life" but can happily blow away people in a game....the psyche is the same, the violence levels are not.
Who didn't watch it?....were we abhorred by the level of violence?, the nature of the violence....of course we were....but we're human and we have this fascination with such things.....why?, because at the end of the day we are still animals, we still have the bloodlust within us that David Attenborough highlights amongst the "Animal Kingdom", the same bloodlust that we try to deny and recoil from because we are "so much better than they are".......tell that to the victims in Dharfur\Iraq\Chechnya\Nepal\Afghanistan etc etc etc.....we are in reality so, so much worse....but of course being "civilised" we could never admit that could we?!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ikonia
If they had made a video saying they had killed him but with no graphic content we would all say "gosh, how terrible, what a shame, poor Mr Bigley".Quote:
Originally Posted by ikonia
The fact that they made a show of cutting off his head was a shock tactic, a political message delivered to the Western leaders that not only his life, but that of any Westerner, was not sacred in their eyes. This may have "offended" our sensitivities in our cosy human rights laden utopia, but the fact is that we no longer experience the true meaning of life, and seek thrill rides and experiences to bring us closer to where we have come from.
It's not pretty, or "civilised" or "pc", but it's who we really are......and no amount of human rights propaganda spouted by the cosy existence of the Western world will change that.....it's real life, get used to it, and get out more!!
don't disagree with any of the points made above.
I wasn't slating the police for watching it - as you rightly say, these guys see some sites. But distributing it around work, so "spreading it" was pretty poor from a moral stand point. These guys are supposed to be our guardians.
The whole point of the thread which appears to be lost a little was that it was the fact that these guys where spreading a video of a guy dying - just that a guy dying, but instead of focusing on that the PC guys focused that it was a black guy and said its "racist" not "sick" or "imroal" for the cops to be doing this.
You're spot on saying "thats who we are" and people are fansinated by things like that, and as you rightly say if that was on TV everyone would say "gosh thats terrible" - but thats the point I was trying to make in that it IS terrible that Ken Bigley (sorry to use him as a reference) lost his life, in the same way its terrible that this criminal lost his life.
It was the fact that people would say - thats terrible not
"lol" or "best cliip ever" as ben was suggesting.
If ben (sorry to use you as an example but you posted it) chooses to enjoy that - or thats what floats his boat, great but to come on a public forum saying "we all love bloodsport" isn't true. While I find the irony ben posted funny, I don't find someone genuinly losing their life funny, or being posted around the internet funny.
If people want to distribute this, thats fine and their business, there is no lawy. The cops shouldn't be doing it on work time/equipment, and anyone who says in public "very cool" is open for slating in the same way I am for saying "thats wrong".
You point on computer games is a bit off track though, as you say we all want a bit of blood guts and killing, and viloence is part of our lives, so playing a game for pleasure where no-one is harmed and enjoying the fun of the game - not "oooh look blood" is fine, and quite different from "oooh look that criminal who maybe had a wife and kids has just been killed and posted on the internet for all to see"
you do make some good points though.
The mistake you made there is actually the same mistake the vast majority of perry criminals make. They assume everybody would do the same in their situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo
I did not watch the Ken Bigley video, nor any of the other beheading video, and nor did most of then people I know. I suspect a sizable percentage of the population also did not watch it.
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Originally Posted by ikonia
The Police are people first, just like you and I, and share the same differences that maybe you and I do, and Guardians second.
Anyone who works in an office could tell you that when they receive a joke or "funny" clip from their friends they distribute it amongst their work colleauges so they may share the "joke". The point is that they didn't make copies and send them to our homes or send us all an e-mail so we had no choice did they.
Had this been distributed around a business office an INTERNAL enquiry would have been held with the appropriate resultant actions. Unfortunately this is just another example of the "pc" brigade, aided by, as you rightly point out, that particular group of people who, in their earnest attempt to either appear "pc" or who have nothing better to do, jump on the bandwagon of sensationalism in an attempt to sterilise what is left of the free thinking individuals in the world.
Okay, so you don't, but that doesn't mean others can't. As if we do not live in enough of a Nanny State already, we are already seeing peer censorship and in some cases pack hunts, of people who dare hold any other view than that of the majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by ikonia
Show that same video clip to a group of mujahadeen\afghan or Al Quaeda fighters and it would probably appear on their version of Jeremy Beadle's show for funny clips and run for weeks. We are in great danger in the West of becoming cottonballed for life where "real world" events are concerned, and then pontificating and protesting loudly when someone switches the channel without asking first!!
Ah, the fine line between conscience and fascination which is never crossed if we only play games??.......what many perhaps fail to realise is that bloodlust can be just as real for some people in a game, and were it not for the game there may well be more bloodlust on the streets.Quote:
Originally Posted by ikonia
We're taking the dopey pill every day if we continue to sleepwalk into a nice cosseted existence where nothing can hurt or offend us.....I think they made a movie about it didn't they.....The Matrix I believe.
Looks like we both must be petty criminals then?....me suspecting most did and you suspecting most didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badass
This may well be a case of age\demographic\career difference and it would indeed be very interesting to find out just how many did or didn't, but of course we can only summise. On that point what percentage, when it was shown around the ME, would you suspect watched the same video clip?.
I know plenty of top blokes that are police men, i wouldn't say they were "scummy little pricks".Quote:
Originally Posted by colinloves
love the Register - best news siteQuote:
Originally Posted by ikonia
totally take on board the nanny state points Dingo - and I agree there is far too much of it about.
And I do know what you mean, if that had been a USA solider taking of Bin Ladens head it would have been a "classic" film rather than the one of political disgust.
That doesn't change the fact that for me I wouldn't be interested in seeing anyone beheaded or harmed.
The point in games is interesting, while for me I'm not interested in the "blood lust" I just enjoy the challange factor/fun factor, but yes I enjoy killing a friend online. But I also enjoy beating him in a race in a game, and a game of tennis. I can see how people would get their kicks from it, and I don't think I have a problem with that after al they are not hurting anyone, however as you rightly say its a fine line, in the same way is it better a pedophile gets his kicks out of watching a child film thats already been made therefore the harm has been done, rather than go out and harm another child to get his kicks.
We are in a nanny state at the moment. An interesting test of this will be for Saddams death sentence
Point taken :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo
Probably being dumb here, but what do you mean by the ME?Quote:
This may well be a case of age\demographic\career difference and it would indeed be very interesting to find out just how many did or didn't, but of course we can only summise. On that point what percentage, when it was shown around the ME, would you suspect watched the same video clip?.
Its a game. If you live in Compton or Leeds. Don't trawl out this utter mush please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo
How is it a fine line? Its a game you play on a tv screen, holding a control pad, sitting on your sofa, chatting to your mates. How is that a fine line?Quote:
however as you rightly say its a fine line
Whats wrong with you people, seriously? :D
Middle EastQuote:
Originally Posted by badass
i would:stop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiternoise
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Originally Posted by Stewart
To the intellectually able it's a game, I agree, but sadly just like America the amount of intellectually able people appears to be diminishing daily. My point was that GTA mirrors real world events in many American cities but is hammed up for the game, and glorifies many of the so called "bad" things that people find offensive when posted on the Internet.......kids fed a diet of that crap without parental, control and poor education and employment levels, find their own role models!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo
That's what you do Stewart, and the great difference will be that you do it with a group of mates, so it becomes a "sociable" event and when someone takes it seriously you all take the p and normal life is resumed.........some people do the same thing alone for hours a day, high or drunk, and will have no parental\peer pressure to comform to the norm.....that then becomes their norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stewart
Look at the blight of American teenagers who, with easy access to firearms, happily blow away their classmates for an supposed affront. The fine line is that with reinforcement of such games, those susceptible either cannot, or fail, to understand the difference.
Perhaps if you rread the whole thread fully (when your birthday cheer is over) you will see that I am an advocate of the showing of real life events as opposed to the glorification of violence in games simply because people have nothing better to do!!:O_o1:
Now if you'll excuse me I have to go, only my neighbour and his kids are playing loudly next door.....and I hate noise.....I'm just off to scoop out their hearts with a rusty spoon!!:mrgreen:
You saying that says far more about you than it does about the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben_
With an attitude like that, do you not wonder why they might come across like that to you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben_
Every copper ive met has been sound. Of course you get the occasional one whos a bit different, but you get that with everything.
Then you have a very narrow perspective on the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben_
i have a narrow perspective on the personalities of policemen, which is far from 'the world'