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    Racism again

    I didn't want to hijack the Big Brother racism debate thread, but reading it reminded me of this cartoon I came across.

    A few years ago, I was at my mum and stepdad's house, and I was idly reading through a box of general old stuff they'd got from a car boot sale. I happened upon a comic annual from 1954 called "Playbox" and read through it. I almost soiled myself when I saw this comic strip. I felt it had to be shared with the rest of the world, to have a glimpse at how children's comics over 50 years ago were handling the evolving ethnic diversity of our country. Not particularly well as I'm sure you will see. So anyway, I scanned it in and uploaded it.

    I'll link this cartoon as a URL rather than an IMG, just in case someone gets offended or in trouble, because although it's quite evidently not hate literature, it does contain an amusingly shocking number of cartoon racial stereotypes.

    As far as I know, this cartoon was not done by Jim Davidson, Bernard Manning or your Grandad.

    You have been warned!

    http://www.teamfishcake.co.uk/toon/racist-toon.jpg

    *cough*

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    Wow that's worse than I expected!

    I was in Germany recently visiting a friend and was slightly shocked at the term they use for black kids. They call them "chocolate people", now is it just me or does that sound pretty racist?

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    What I find ironic about this cartoon is that people now write like "day" talk like "dis" an "dat", which is exactly how the cartoon is written. If a black child writes in text speak like this then is it racist? What about a white one?

    The cartoon maybe stereotyping but it's hardly overtly racist. I don't agree with the stereotyping portrayed and it is outdated, but I'd imagine that at the time (1950's) that the majority of black people arriving in Britain would have been from the Carribean and spoken like this. You can write English to portray a Geordie accent, Yorkshire accent, Australlian, American, Indian etc

    The only possible racist overtone is Sambo calling the three friends Nigs. Is that an abreviation of negros or ******* or what?

    I come from an era of being read Sambo stories as a kid and I don't seem to be a member of the BNP spitting racist nonsense.


    The problem is we now live in such a sensitive, politically correct, thought policed country that it's impossible to have any interaction with a non-white or discuss immigration/race and not have the spectre of "racism" hanging like the sword of damocles over your head.
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    The problem with racism, and indeed most of the whole politically correct culture we're enduring, is that the terms deemed racist now, weren't often originally meant derogatory or demeaning.

    Now, I'm speaking from a Geordie point of view, and we up here in the sticks are generally a few steps behind the much more densely populated south east in terms of picking up on stereotypes, but as an example the term "******" up here wasn't deemed as derogatory until people started using it as race-hate bate.

    I'm not sure if it's the same over the country, or indeed world, but I know cultures differ a lot over even short distances (up here, the word "bugger" isn't seen as a particularly bad word, while further south it's a word that can cause major offence).

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    Quote Originally Posted by this_is_gav View Post
    ...(up here, the word "bugger" isn't seen as a particularly bad word, while further south it's a word that can cause major offence).
    Obviously you are relying on 1950's cartoons to inform you as to what southerners are like...

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    i just wanted to raise a small question, which, apologies for being ignorant, i would like to know the answer to...
    why do black people call each other by "that n word"*?
    i myself wouldn't use the word, as to me, it is incredibly bad manners, but its there all the time, in music...
    I dont really get it

    *the word is on the swear filter, and rightly so.

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    Because they are reclaiming it from the racists, innit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve B View Post
    i just wanted to raise a small question, which, apologies for being ignorant, i would like to know the answer to...
    why do black people call each other by "that n word"*?
    i myself wouldn't use the word, as to me, it is incredibly bad manners, but its there all the time, in music...
    I dont really get it

    *the word is on the swear filter, and rightly so.
    I guess that part of the black community use it as some sort of a 'brotherly' reference to each other, a bit like a family label or something. But Paul Mooney (the popular American comedian) is asking all musicians to stop using the n word... I mean it is annoying when you can't rap along side one of your favourite songs and having to purposely dodge those words, when you can say a normal curse word, lol.

    I myself am Half Filippino and half English, but I have never been the subject of racism really. Worst I get is people calling me Chinese - but that's more of an indication of their ignorance because I really don't look that East-Asian at all, and theres more than one country in East/South East/North East Asia than China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unreal View Post
    I guess that part of the black community use it as some sort of a 'brotherly' reference to each other, a bit like a family label or something. But Paul Mooney (the popular American comedian) is asking all musicians to stop using the n word... I mean it is annoying when you can't rap along side one of your favourite songs and having to purposely dodge those words, when you can say a normal curse word, lol.
    The music you listen to is black orientated, so the artist believe most of their music is listened too by black people which is true.

    Being black i use the N word all time when referring to my friends. hey i even got a white friend that jokingly says it from time to time. I believe the word feels racist if someone of another race says it to you who you don't know but within the black community the word is relaxed alot

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPreston View Post
    Obviously you are relying on 1950's cartoons to inform you as to what southerners are like...
    No, no... I was just using it as an example of differing opinions and how much offence can change across even very short distances.

    To be honest, I never even saw the reference to "bugger" in the cartoon - totally missed it. It was brought to my attention from a colleague who moved up here a few years back.

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    Today's youth, they just don't understand it

    Well I personal still like The Black and White Minstrel Show and Love Thy Neighbour nothing wrong with them it's just today's youth and people that just don't understand it all and make a BIG fuss out of nothing

    People are also forgetting that racialism works both ways *Snow flake *

    Oh and yes I like the comic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad-Max View Post
    ...

    People are also forgetting that racialism works both ways *Snow flake *

    Oh and yes I like the comic

    Ah yes 'Snow Flake', that oft-heard epithet recalling the days when whites were enslaved and brutalised...oh wait that never happened....and no-one has ever actually been called 'Snow Flake' (except a welsh girl I used to know, whose name was the welsh for snowflake).....but all the same prejudice against the down-trodden white minority who make up just 95% of the population is really a big problem for our society...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmage View Post
    The music you listen to is black orientated, so the artist believe most of their music is listened too by black people which is true.

    Being black i use the N word all time when referring to my friends. hey i even got a white friend that jokingly says it from time to time. I believe the word feels racist if someone of another race says it to you who you don't know but within the black community the word is relaxed alot

    Yeah I guess it's a statement of like how tight you are with your mates, so when some random non-black dude as opposed to someone you feel close with comes bursting in saying it all over the place, people may get offended lol.

    You're in East London too? ;O

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