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    upgrading to direct x 10

    wonder if any one can help i wish to upgrade to a direct x 10 compatible card for the least money possible i currently have a card running in pcie slot but i think i only have a 300 wat psu. Any help much appreiciated also only got a foxconn motherboard sorry but im quite new to this
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    it depends what your going to be using it for really, but as you are currently using an nVidia 6200, it you dont game all that much?

    if you just want DX10 compatibility, maybe an 8500gt?

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    By the sounds of it, I would recomend that you would need to get a beefier power supply, if yours is as you say only 300 watts. Power supply wise id recomend something along the lines of a 450-500 watt, just to future proof yourself.

    Also do you game much? and wat games etc?

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    thanks for the feedback, its mainly fps like fear quake 4 & im sort of looking forward to crysis ,but im hoping to get colin mcrae dirt soon if my pc will run it
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    Wow You're running fear & q4 on that graphics card

    Sorry but that really is a bad card for games

    Now currently the 8500 & 8600 are really badly performing:
    the 8500GT (£55) is being out performed by the 7300GT (£45) which also cost £10 less
    The 8600GT (£80) is being out performed by the 7600GT (£65-70) which again is costing £10-15 less

    Although any of these cards will be better than a 6200 Turbo cashe (it just makes me feel ill typeing it )
    You're probably best off waiting for a month or two, as ATi will be releaseing there cheaper dx10 cards and we might even have one or two games that actually use dx10 by then (you never know it might happen)

    But you are probably going to need to upgrade your PSU as they are going to be more power hungery.

    http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=111297

    See Here for comparrisons of these cards performance.
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    xfx have said there cards a built for dx10 performance and owners should test the 8600 models on the lost planet dx10 demo, where there is supposedly significantly increased performance, it was on the review here of the xfx 8600gt at the end on the right to reply section, if i had dx10 id be testing my gts right now

    (can anyone give a good time to upgrade to vista/dx10? All i seem to keep doing is putting it off due to lots of reported bugs and driver issues)

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    Well from what I've heard most of the drivers are far better/stable now.
    But were still waiting on any DX10 games, however saying that the 8600gt is significtly increased on dx10 compaired too . . . Umm 7series don't do dx10

    My whole point is that as DX10 games are still a while off, it's best off to wait rather than get a low cost card that has bad dx9 & OpenGL in the hope that it'll be any good for dx10 games.

    If you want better performance in the mean time low cost dx9 cards are a better option or the current option of going for a 8800something if not exactly low cost, simply as they have very good dx9 performance and good OpenGL performance.

    However the new lower cost ATi cards are suposed to be comming out soon, so holding on for a month to see what they turn out like is a good option.
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    If you want any chance of playing crysis at medium settings at a decent resolution you will need a 8600GTS or above.

    I would suggest that you forget about DX10 and just get a mid end DX9 card, you will get more performance for your money and you can still play DX10 games in DX9 mode, there isnt a huge difference, especially juding fomr the crysis DX9 vs DX10 previews.

    I hope that helped

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    Anything below the 8600 GTS is apparently very poor

    Try and save up and get a used 8800 GTS 320MB for about £150...

    As stated above though, you will need a new PSU...

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    Thanks everyone for your comments they are most helpful now ive just got to talk a couple of hundred quid out of me mrs lol for said items

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    What resolution do you play at because this will determined what card you get ?

    Any 8800 or even a 8600 will need a new psu and that will cost about £70 for a Corsair 520 !

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    Someone tell me what I'm missing:

    It looks like the 8600, 8800 etc, cards need a 12v rail that can supply in excess of 26 amps. Posts here seem very relaxed on the subject of power supplies and seem to suggest that any 400 watt + PSU will do. Well I've been looking for a PSU for a new system that is to run a 8800 GTS and have been finding very hard to find a PSU with enough curren on the 12v rail. A typical example is recommended above, the Corsair 520. I've looked at the spec of this PSU (and many others) and it falls very short, with a maximum, un-sustained current rating of only 18 amps on any of the 12v rails. As I said, am I missing something, or are the recommendations for any 400 watt PSUs a little misleading?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePhoenix View Post
    Someone tell me what I'm missing:

    It looks like the 8600, 8800 etc, cards need a 12v rail that can supply in excess of 26 amps. Posts here seem very relaxed on the subject of power supplies and seem to suggest that any 400 watt + PSU will do. Well I've been looking for a PSU for a new system that is to run a 8800 GTS and have been finding very hard to find a PSU with enough curren on the 12v rail. A typical example is recommended above, the Corsair 520. I've looked at the spec of this PSU (and many others) and it falls very short, with a maximum, un-sustained current rating of only 18 amps on any of the 12v rails. As I said, am I missing something, or are the recommendations for any 400 watt PSUs a little misleading?

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    Why we tend to vote for the Corsair range. One its made by Seasonic 2 look at jonnygurus review
    http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=28

    As you can see from the load test the rails are barely shifting even at 480 watt load.
    From Jonnys dissection of the unit its actually running of 2 rails.
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    DratUK - thanks for explaining why the Corsair got recommened, but it still doesn't address my point that generally any 400+ watt power supply is suggested as suitable for the 8800 graphics cards. Is this sensible when many of them don't have specs that show them come near to the required 26 amps on any of the 12v rails?

    BTW I have just checked out the link you sent re the jonnygurus review. The Corsair obviously is a quality unit (and I may buy one) if someone can explain to me why it is suitable to power a 8800 GTS when even in this review it does not get shown sourcing a current of more than 12 amps on any 12v rail.

    I don't want to appear difficult, I just don't understand.

    Cheers

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    It's the combined 12v rails you look at on a PSU, so if a GFX needs 26 amps a Corsair psu which has 3 12v rails with a combination of 40 amps because you add the rails together to get 40 amps, which will more then meet your needs

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    Yep and a Corsair is going to be overkill, but is very solid with a great deal of upgrade and overclocking potential.

    If you're not into overclocking and don't want to delve into blistering high end gpu's or sli then you will be fine on a cheaper PSU, just don't go too cheap.
    A good quality 400w psu is going to set you back £40 and should power a 8800gts fine.

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