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    First 9600GT review out!

    This review pits an overclocked 9600GT against the 8800GT and HD3870:

    NVIDIA GeForce 9600GT 512MB G94 Tested :: TweakTown

    Seems to be very competitive with the 8800GT and HD3870

    Priced around the £140 it seems:

    9600GT - Google Product Search
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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    Better than the initial benchmarks I saw.

    I wonder how the UK prices will compare to US pricing.

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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    they are the ones I saw before.. not so good.

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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    I dont know why nVidia bothered with this card.

    Another mid-range card with under mid-range performance.

    The 8800GT is quicker and around the same price. There is absolutely no requirement for anyone to buy this surely.

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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    this is annoying , performs nearly aswell as the 8800GT, i spent 190&#163; on my 8800GTS >.<, wish i waited till november for the 9800GTS .

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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks12 View Post
    this is annoying , performs nearly aswell as the 8800GT, i spent 190&#163; on my 8800GTS >.<, wish i waited till november for the 9800GTS .
    I would wait for more reviews for a better idea of the performance of the 9600GT. It would be interesting to see both the Anandtech and [H] Enthusiast reviews for instance.

    It would also be nicer to see the performance figures for the 9600GT in XP.It was also interesting that the Tweaktown review only tests Crysis on medium settings in Vista too - high settings in XP would have been a better test IMHO!! They also only used Catalyst 8.1 drivers for the HD3870 too!!
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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    this card may trn out to be marketing hype.....which is sad

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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    I presume Nvidia is planning to release the 9600GT as a 'I am more efficient than you ATI nyehh' response to the HD3850..

    Given the 8800GT did get fishy response on their power consumption and temperatures, Nvidia I reckon just wants an outright win over ATI on all segments of the market.

    Cat 8.1 and 8.2 did not give that much of a performance boost, so I reckon 8.1 seems to be a rather ok approximation.

    TBH, for the longest time I can never actually understand why the 3870 can be so poo on modern games when the card can be programmed to rival a monster on professional graphics.

    When you've seen the double precision 320sp fly on parallel processing, figures why the 320sp would chug so much on modern games. Well, I guess its a chicken and egg thing again.. and I'm pretty sure the TWIMTBP thingy and the perpetual shower of cash on the developers to optimise for superpower du jour Nvidia (paid of course by the superpower du jour himself) sort of helps.
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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    TWIMTBP seems a bit uncompetitive if you ask me. If the EU can penalise Intel and Microsoft for having "monopolies" why has this not happened for Nvidia (or even ATI in rare cases). Just bribing most games companies to OVER-OPTIMISE games for one architecture means any other GPU companies are screwed from the start!! In the end this over -optimisation for one architecture hurts competition and the consumer in the long run. I personally think that this sort of thing should be banned worldwide since basically companies are screwing over the competition when they have more money to splash around. It should be up to the games companies to decide what is better for them instead of the GPU companies deciding for them via the use of large sums of cash!! It would also mean we would not have to wade though all that blooming advertising when you start a game!!

    It seems professional graphics are more even playing field.
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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    well Nvidia kept themselves in helpful checks to make sure they don't 'overly' screw their competition... they've done just enough to shove the shyts in spades to ATI but not enough to break the law.

    Intel on the other hand went into the potty with their hands dirty as they're too big for their own good. People could spot them spading out shyts from a mile away with their size.

    Nvidia will probably get away with it given its smaller size.

    I know this is not right, but thats just the way it is..

    TWIMTBP spirit will live on unfortunately..

    Note: If you think ATI took it hard.. look at S3.. they're basically nibbling the breadcrumbs..
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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    TWIMTBP seems a bit uncompetitive if you ask me. If the EU can penalise Intel and Microsoft for having "monopolies" why has this not happened for Nvidia (or even ATI in rare cases). Just bribing most games companies to OVER-OPTIMISE games for one architecture means any other GPU companies are screwed from the start!! In the end this over -optimisation for one architecture hurts competition and the consumer in the long run. I personally think that this sort of thing should be banned worldwide since basically companies are screwing over the competition when they have more money to splash around. It should be up to the games companies to decide what is better for them instead of the GPU companies deciding for them via the use of large sums of cash!! It would also mean we would not have to wade though all that blooming advertising when you start a game!!

    It seems professional graphics are more even playing field.

    Oh come on. THis is hardly the first time.

    ATI certainly 'made hay whilst the sun shone' during the dark days of the FX series that nVidia famously bawlsed up.

    nVidia, to be fair, havent gone over the top on their pricing, the retailers have.
    If ATI created a viable option then it wouldnt happen.

    This tooing and froing for supremacy is a good thing imho and if ATI cant produce a good, competitive card then their engineers are obviously in the wrong job.

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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzen View Post
    Oh come on. THis is hardly the first time.

    ATI certainly 'made hay whilst the sun shone' during the dark days of the FX series that nVidia famously bawlsed up.

    nVidia, to be fair, havent gone over the top on their pricing, the retailers have.
    If ATI created a viable option then it wouldnt happen.

    This tooing and froing for supremacy is a good thing imho and if ATI cant produce a good, competitive card then their engineers are obviously in the wrong job.
    I suppose on the novel side of things yes.. it is good for the whole development of technology, but the world do not work in such a synergistic manner. If say ATI screws up perhaps 1ce or 2ce big time and they go down in flames, consumer choice, synergy and price control too will go up in flames. That is why rules to prevent this sort of practice is so important..

    Its just like scientific hardware, take an anonymous company makes this product.. and NO ONE ELSE can make something quite as good or have the scale to do quite the same, they are allowed to charge extortionary amounts for it because the tender that goes out on public will only have this single company tendering..

    Rules must be flexible enough to allow some sort of scaffold for companies that suffers from 'screw-ups' but also must not be overly biased against bigger companies.

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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzen View Post
    Oh come on. THis is hardly the first time.

    ATI certainly 'made hay whilst the sun shone' during the dark days of the FX series that nVidia famously bawlsed up.

    nVidia, to be fair, havent gone over the top on their pricing, the retailers have.
    If ATI created a viable option then it wouldnt happen.

    This tooing and froing for supremacy is a good thing imho and if ATI cant produce a good, competitive card then their engineers are obviously in the wrong job.
    I said this for BOTH companies if you read what I said. I was well aware of ATI doing the same thing during the 9700/9800 days with HL2. However with Nvidia it seems to be 9/10 of most modern titles are TWIMTBP . This is just using financial muscle to steamroller the competition. It is nothing to do with the technology or price. For example ATI workstation cards are very competitive with the Nvidia equivalents and use the same architecture as their desktop equivalents? Why is this I wonder?? I just think that bribing companies to make stuff run better on a particular architecture is just plain wrong and usually favours larger companies who have bigger cash reserves available to them. Most people will see the adverts and be swayed to buy the manufacturers hardware or computer which have the aforementioned bits. The impact of good advertising cannot be underestimated. Again more money means you can afford better advertising and larger volumes of it. I don't care if the company is AMD,Nvidia,Intel or even S3.

    This in the end will stifle competition and innovation. Why develope new technologies when the larger competitor will win most of the time since their technology is favoured??I think such practices should be banned under law and companies fined for doing it irrespective of their size.

    Plus it would remove those stupid adverts at the beginning of games...!!
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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    any bet they will release nvidia: 9000,9100,9200,9300,9400,9500,9550 and then add all those GTS GT GTX Ultra and GS. Seems that is there plan now adays, am i right?XD
    Its amazing, ati released a card that is &#163;27 for dx10....... wonder if it will even launch a game. here it is Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK rofl i bet my old 9600XT would performan better.....

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    Re: First 9600GT review out!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks12 View Post
    any bet they will release nvidia: 9000,9100,9200,9300,9400,9500,9550 and then add all those GTS GT GTX Ultra and GS. Seems that is there plan now adays, am i right?XD
    Its amazing, ati released a card that is &#163;27 for dx10....... wonder if it will even launch a game. here it is Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK rofl i bet my old 9600XT would performan better.....
    Nvidia have a similar card
    8400gs

    They are media cards and some (both your link and mine) are low profile which some HTPC cases need.

    The ATi is actually a very capable HD video card and the 8400GS mobile in my laptop is a great little performer in games. Can run COD4 @ 1280 x 800 looking sweet or 800 x 600 with AA so i'm sure the desktop card is fine for smaller monitors.

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