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    Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    Simple question: Apart from the obvious benefits to the general public, did they need to bring out the 9600 GT right now?

    I mean they could have held back a few weeks, or even a month, because they're doing OK, I think, in the video card market.

    And now ATI/AMD are nuked, no?

    Just a question that struck me

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    they blew their load too early imo, it should have been released in 3-4 months with the next gen. It's too close to the 8800GT from a price/performance perspective to really be a true 8600GTS replacement at this moment in time.

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    Given that they only recently released the 8800GT 256mb (which doesn't compete with AMD) and the 8800GS (which competes with the 3850) it is a little suprising to see another nvidia mid range release.

    This one at least competes with the 3870 which should make nvidia happy and it's customers as it as been released at a reasonable price and driven AMD's prices down also.

    Given that i've been an Nvidia man most of my life I think I'd still end up getting an HD38** as I prefer some of the cooling solutions on offer (sapphire passive etc.. and even a very quiet stock single slot solution)

    The only 9600GT that looks interesting to me is the Gainward Golden Sample which is very expensive and thus makes the card pointless when comparing it to the 8800GT's prices.

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by staffsMike View Post
    The only 9600GT that looks interesting to me is the Gainward Golden Sample which is very expensive and thus makes the card pointless when comparing it to the 8800GT's prices.
    I keep thinking that of quite a few of the sort of "Ultra-Alpha-Dog-Uber-Speedy" versions of cards though; they're interesting as a technical exercise, I guess, but by the time you've factored in the honking big piece of copper attached to 'em (with the attendant cost) you almost might as well get the vanilla edition of the next range up. The only exception I can see are the passively cooled jobbies which fit the "my wife's gonna kill me if I don't shut that PC under the telly up" market. With that in mind I've a passively cooled Gigabyte 6600GT kicking around that's been very good. So was the vanilla 6800LE that I swapped it out for, though.

    I don't think DAAMIT are nuked, though - the 3870 appears to be holding its own in a lot of benchmarks, the X2's doing the same a bit higher up the price range and the 3850's very highly regarded in the (very) sub-£100 bracket. I think they're actually doing a bit better than they have been, and I'm not seeing too many indications that the 9600GT is completely stuffing the competition even in its own price bracket.

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    Yeah it is pretty much that huge cooler that did it for me. Graphics card noise is the one thing that I like to have sorted out of the box (never done a aftermarket gpu cooler mod suppose I should really).

    I do like gainward though, always seem to get good quality and service from them.

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    i think they released it too early, needs to be with the 9800 etc, its the same tactic they used with the 8800series just in reverse, and then remaking them was kinda flawed @ consumers who bought original versions for more.

    Ati should be loving this, it seems nvidia is actually feeling threatened by ati's price vs performance cards, shows they still have something. Any bet that ati will top over this time with their 4000 series?

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks12 View Post
    Ati should be loving this, it seems nvidia is actually feeling threatened by ati's price vs performance cards, shows they still have something. Any bet that ati will top over this time with their 4000 series?

    you are presuming that ATI/AMD have a positive margin in these cards.....I'm not so sure. I wonder if they're gonna be all at a loss....just to keep market place.

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    I am not sure why nVidia is releasing the cards as they have done to be honest. Their upper range (I am referring to anything from the 3870 to the GTX) line out are rock solid as far as performance is concerned. Bang for buck, a cheap vanilla (or less vanilla Palit) is likely hard to beat, and I suspect that they a 145 quid GT will compete well even against a price dropped 3870. The G92 GT pretty much render the GTX, and to a large extent even the Ultra redundant. The GS sits nicely between the 3850 and the 3870 (though it's less competitive post AMD price slash). I'd say that they don't really need another graphic card costing 110-120ish at this point. What they could use more is a card that undercuts the 3850 yet performs just as well (+/-). Or a GeForce 9800 capable of reclaiming the performance crown (as a show of force).

    Or maybe start offering something that competes on more than just performance. AMD has HDMI on their side, it wouldn't hurt for nVidia to get into that. Although I remember reading that they are going to add PhysX to their 8800 range? That'd be a welcome addition assuming the price remains the same or doesn't increase too much. Or maybe have a mid-range card with HDMI and triple head. Right now there is not enough to differentiate all their mid-range cards (even something as currently redundant as Direct X 10.1 would've made the 9600 slightly more interesting).

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    the newest 8800 series(gts gt etc) have the support for physx and will be supported soon if i remember correctly.

    I totally agree with you and this is strange, all the 8800 series didnt have 10.1 support and yet this brand new one doesnt, like come on think it might not be so great but its something. Im glad ati are getting back up. Im prepared for a ati ontop of cards again and amd will be back on top in cpu's.

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    you are presuming that ATI/AMD have a positive margin in these cards.....I'm not so sure. I wonder if they're gonna be all at a loss....just to keep market place.
    Of course they have a positive margin - this is not the console business where money is made through selling the software and not the hardware!

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Of course they have a positive margin - this is not the console business where money is made through selling the software and not the hardware!
    you, my friend, are not always right there.

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    I thinking nvidia has done some good marketing. really questions AMD. 8800Ultra is the fastest single gpu card,the 9800gtx will be a beast let alone the ultra version.

    AMD need answers soon.

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmage View Post
    I thinking nvidia has done some good marketing. really questions AMD. 8800Ultra is the fastest single gpu card,the 9800gtx will be a beast let alone the ultra version.

    AMD need answers soon.
    Not really. The most important market is the ow and midrange markets. The cards that find themselves into dells, hps, acers etc..

    The custom PC market is growing of course but even most of us don't consider the highest power cards.

    If the AMD triple core phenoms are released at the prices that CustomPC suggested they could be they will be a fantastic chip for a lot of people looking at budget builds. Perhaps further steppings of the quad cores will reveal more overclocking ability too. I've always liked AMD and this is the first time that they have really struggled for a number of years. It's both interesting and refreshing to see how they deal with it.

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    It's what you're looking for really. If you want all-out gaming performance at the mid-high end then NV is the obvious choice. If your needs are a little less defined then it's hard to argue that the 3800s aren't a better all-round choice. And I still think the X2 is a wonderful piece of engineering. It didn't surprise that it was coming along, but clearly NV (or us) weren't expecting it to be quite as good as it is - some nice little innovations that make it look very, very attractive over any other multi-GPU set up.

    The market is at the low-end though (and increasingly the low-end laptop area), and there are a lot of AMD graphics chips sold there. They're not about to just disappear.

    NV should be given a slap for having so many card variations around frankly.

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    The release of the 9600gt took me by surprise. I didn't even realise it was due out so soon. To me this kind of signals the phasing out of the 8600 series and imminent [sp?] release of the 9800 series possibly in the next quarter.

    It seems nVidia has released this to compete with ATI's 38xx series.

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    Re: Did nVidia need to bring out the 9600 GT so soon?

    I dread thw numbers 9800 on a video card....dread them.

    Why cant they just use some other numbers, ones not previously used by other people?

    I mean, lets face it, we have 26 letters and 10 digitas to deal with.

    How about..... PX 4100
    or the....... W300

    or the..... G3t4L1F345Soo|\|45p05518L3

    there must be another way.... the 9600 was an ATi card..so was the 9800, and the 8500...leave it alone.

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