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    2ms against 5ms?

    What's the actual performance difference between a 2ms response time and a 5ms response time?

    Other than a 3ms response time that is.


    Will I see an actual difference at 1440x900 resolution? Will a HD3650 actually go to a 1440x900 resolution?

    I'm looking at any sub £120 monitors (inc P&P) on www.misco.co.uk.
    Mostly 19" ones, and the two cheapest montiors there are £85/100 (which seems about right) and the difference is a 5ms/2ms response time.


    Quick response would be nice as well, if possible, as I want to get this ordered before cut off for orders tommorrow
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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    I don't think anyone will see a difference. I have a 20" 5ms TFT and have had a 2ms one too. Can't tell the difference myself and a lot of it is marketing hype anyway!

    Make sure you get one with a DVI connection too as the quality is better than VGA. Plus, i would definitely go for a 20" over a 19". More screen and looks nicer too.

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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    i think you wont notice the difference. take input lag into consideration if u play fps games

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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    My Dell is 16ms if memory serves and I don't notice a thing, FPS or not.

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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    yep u will not notice any difference between speeds under 12ms and tbh you probably wont even notice a difference with anything higher than that except for something like 50ms lol

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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    I have a lovely 4 year old, top end IPS panel (£1k new when bought). It has a 20ms response time and I don't notice any significant ghosting. You need to read this guide and you'll soon realise stating a single number for a response time is absolutely meaningless.

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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    Well think about what it if your monitor has a refresh rate of 60Hz (standard for an LCD at native resolution) then it will potentially change the colour of the pixel 60x in a second working in milliseconds thats 60x in every 1000ms so once every 16.7ms, so as long as your response time is less than this you will have no issue, but remember manufacturers generally quote grey to grey response time so you need to allow a bit more but in most cases it wont be as issue, you certainly will not see a difference between 2ms and 5ms.

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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    I agree you wont notice the difference, the ways they test response time isn't even standard across manufacturers anyway IIRC. The thing that might sway me into paying the extra £15 is the viewing angles; £85 is 150 deg horizontal versus £100 170 deg if I've got the right monitors? Unfortunately the £100 one is VGA only though I don't know exactly how much difference that makes.

    http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/...Tab=2&NoMapp=0

    http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/...Tab=2&NoMapp=0

    If it were my money I would be tempted by the extra real estate of only slightly more expensive 20/22" monitors, though it's up to you whether you want that. This has similar specs to the more expensive 19" (£100, 170 deg horizontal; unfortunately only VGA) but has the extra resolution. This has reasonable all round specs, DVI, an extra 2"; albeit a few quid over budget. If you need to save a bit of money for other components I'm sure the £85 one will be OK, but I would be tempted by the higher resolution.

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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Koolpc View Post
    I don't think anyone will see a difference. I have a 20" 5ms TFT and have had a 2ms one too. Can't tell the difference myself and a lot of it is marketing hype anyway!

    Make sure you get one with a DVI connection too as the quality is better than VGA. Plus, i would definitely go for a 20" over a 19". More screen and looks nicer too.
    i know dvi is newer and supposed to be better but ive never spotted a difference with dvi or vga.

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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    at that res yes, but you'll notice the difference at higher res

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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Koolpc View Post
    I don't think anyone will see a difference. I have a 20" 5ms TFT and have had a 2ms one too. Can't tell the difference myself.
    Me either, except on response times of 8ms and up though. I noticed while scrolling a web page I could see the ghosting effects on the school LCD's.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyBoy View Post
    i know dvi is newer and supposed to be better but ive never spotted a difference with dvi or vga.
    Same here.

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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    And in regards to the HD3650 supporting at 1440x900 resolution?

    I'm presuming it will, but I suppose it doesn't matter all that much in the larger picture
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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    Your eyes don't have the means to see the difference between such speeds ^^
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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    Quote Originally Posted by mediaboy View Post
    What's the actual performance difference between a 2ms response time and a 5ms response time?

    Other than a 3ms response time that is.
    Actually the difference is about 15ms

    2ms use RTC, which ends up with a realworld response time accross different colours of about 8-12ms. 5ms doesn't, and ends up with a response time nearer 20-25ms.

    You would notice the difference if you compared the two side by side, but if you just look at the '5ms' display you will never notice the response time not being fast enough.

    RTC can also produce smearing artifacts, though this can be mitigated by display options and CCC if you're an ATi user.

    Will I see an actual difference at 1440x900 resolution? Will a HD3650 actually go to a 1440x900 resolution?
    Resolution doesn't make any difference, and yes, the 3650 will go to that resolution (and much higher) - it's just a question of how fast games will run at a higher resolution.

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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    To run a desktop at 1600x1200 you need around 16mb of video memory, GPU needs are very low as well (my other half runs her desktop and things like photoshop quite happly on my old FX5200 AGP card)
    It's only when you start running 3d games, other 3d software and CAD packages that you generally need any real gpu grunt.

    The 3650 while not a great card should happly run most games at 17-19" monitor resolutions with relatively high settings.
    There's only really a couple of games that are real pigs (crysis being the main one)
    Check out some reviews and remember this general rule of thumb
    Anything over 30fps is playable.
    Anything over 60fps is excess.

    Here are some numbers from the first review google gave me
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_3650
    Powercolor HD 3650 512mb, resualts from 1600x1200 4xAA 16xAF (whichh is 20-22" resolution)
    Company Of Heroes, 48.2fps
    Crysis 8.9fps
    Notice the differnce?
    You you look through that you'll notice that at 1280x1024 (17-19" resolution) the only games to drop below 30fps are Crysis & Supreme Commander (the other big graphics hog)

    Anything 8ms or under you'll not notice any real differnce (also remember this is not a fixed standard so they fudge the numbers)
    DVI vs D-sub again, you'll not notice much differnce unless you're running your cable over long distances 10m+
    One thing I will note here is that dvi to d-sub adaptors you get with most new cards (which have 2 dvi ports) can cause problems and are a "weak point" that can be more easily damaged.

    PS any reason for Misco? I ask because they are not the cheapest out there, you'll probably be better off with ebuyer (free delivery over £50) or scan (free delivery for hexus users)

    Also Double check warranty, "on site" is better than "return to base"
    On site tends to be a swap out, they send a courier who gives you a new one and takes your broken one away.
    Return to base, means you have to get it to them at your own expense.
    Don't over look the cheap brands, Hanns G are not that bad, a good brand can still produce low quality stuff for there budget range.

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    Re: 2ms against 5ms?

    Quote Originally Posted by NovaSphere View Post
    Your eyes don't have the means to see the difference between such speeds ^^
    They do

    The real question that should be asked is "Side by side, will I notice the difference between the two?"
    Manufacturer specifications are optimistic at best. They'll use the method that shows their unit in the best light.
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