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    260GTX vs 4870

    I'm looking at buying a new GFX card, for gaming on my 1900x1200 screen and I've narrowed it down to these two.

    GTX260 (New version with more SPs)

    Pros

    Reasonably quiet.
    Supports CUDA.
    There has been no fan speed issues.

    Cons

    More pricey

    Radeon 4870 1GB

    Pros

    Has GDDR5
    More memory

    Cons

    Noisy/hot?
    Does not support CUDA




    Basically I'm looking for opinions on either of these cards, specifically on the possibly importance of CUDA and what kind of heat and noise levels I should expect (trying to get a nice quiet card!)

    Cheers all.

    edit: Having looked around, I thinking about the HD4870 PCS+, it has a aftermarket cooler and works very well apparently.
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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    What would you like to use CUDA for? Do you program advanced algorithms that can take advantage of highly parrallel wide-vector code?

    End-user applications that take advantage of CUDA are few and far between - I can only think of a couple of incredibly expensive packages which you will already know about if you use them.

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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    These things often ebb and flow, and my opinion is that Nvidia and ATI (now AMD) have variously done well / been the best, and done rubbish / annoyed the hell out of people.
    Currently, having recently gone from nvidia to ATI, i'm impressed with the frequent driver updates AMD are putting out.
    CUDA, as quite ably described by kalniel, is not something i would consider to be a deciding factor.
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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    What would you like to use CUDA for? Do you program advanced algorithms that can take advantage of highly parrallel wide-vector code?

    End-user applications that take advantage of CUDA are few and far between - I can only think of a couple of incredibly expensive packages which you will already know about if you use them.
    I don't have a specific idea in mind, I was more curious to know whether I should be considering it. From the looks of it I guess not.

    Definitely leaning towards the HD4870 PCS+ now, will the 512mb do me alright at 1900x1200?

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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    I would go with the 1GB version for 1920x1200 tbh
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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    There have been tests on some forums that showed the HD4870 struggling at higher ress because of the 'low' amount of RAM (compared to the other 'high end cards')
    So if you would go for the HD4870, go for the 1GB version I'd say.

    Personally I went for the GTX260
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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    Quote Originally Posted by format View Post
    Definitely leaning towards the HD4870 PCS+ now, will the 512mb do me alright at 1900x1200?
    While the 4870 does really well on 512mb, you will get quite improved performance with 1gb at that res.

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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    Quote Originally Posted by NovaSphere View Post
    There have been tests on some forums that showed the HD4870 struggling at higher ress because of the 'low' amount of RAM (compared to the other 'high end cards')
    So if you would go for the HD4870, go for the 1GB version I'd say.

    Personally I went for the GTX260
    been looking around some more and tempted now by the GTX260 - mostly because of noise and temp issues with the cooling on the 4870.

    I'm guessing I should be going for the new revision of the 260, with the extra cores?
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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    Quote Originally Posted by format View Post
    been looking around some more and tempted now by the GTX260 - mostly because of noise and temp issues with the cooling on the 4870.
    This is the reason I went for the GTX260, to be honest, I've always been more of an Nvidia fan, when ATI released their new cards I was really tempted for a while to get those, the price-perf ratio was great.
    Nvidia lowered their prices and the ATI cards were having some problems with drivers and the thing with fans not spinning and the heat issue's on the (usual) stock coolers.
    So after the price drop, I went for the GTX260 again, I didn't get the newer version though, I still went for the old one (ordered it 1 week before the newer version came out =p)

    I'm guessing I should be going for the new revision of the 260, with the extra SPs?
    I wouldn't know really, I have the old one, but can't really tell you how good it is, since my PC isn't working yet, my card seemed to be dead on arrival and I'm getting a new one today, so will try tonight
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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    In most things at 1920*1200 the two 260's are separated by a couple of frames a second so not in my opinion worth the extra expense.

    Heat and noise are not an issue for the 4870 if you get one with a decent aftermaret cooler the Powercolor PCS+ is a perfect example of this.

    As to the 1GB or 512MB decision the Powercolor 1GB PCS+ beats out a standard 512MB card at 1920*1200 by about 5 fps (according to Hexus review) the question is how much of this was due to the overclocking (GPU 800Mhz over 750MHz, and Memory 3700MHz over 3600MHz) and how much due to the additional frame buffer. From the overclocking results in the same review I would say a fair bit was from the overclock rather than the frame buffer.

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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    There's a more comparative review of the 4870 1gb here:

    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415

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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    Quote Originally Posted by format View Post

    I'm guessing I should be going for the new revision of the 260, with the extra cores?
    no... 100% no...

    they are practically the same price as a GTX280..

    if you were going to get a new GTX260, you might as well get a GTX280...

    edit:

    par example: for the cheapest new GTX260 on SCAN it is: £230.95
    the cheapest GTX280 on SCAN is: £281.15 (edit: £242.04 on today only /edit)

    damnit, the prices have fallen

    okay so it is more in the middle pricing wise now...

    edit: today only saves the day
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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    Quote Originally Posted by Webby View Post
    In most things at 1920*1200 the two 260's are separated by a couple of frames a second so not in my opinion worth the extra expense.

    Heat and noise are not an issue for the 4870 if you get one with a decent aftermaret cooler the Powercolor PCS+ is a perfect example of this.

    As to the 1GB or 512MB decision the Powercolor 1GB PCS+ beats out a standard 512MB card at 1920*1200 by about 5 fps (according to Hexus review) the question is how much of this was due to the overclocking (GPU 800Mhz over 750MHz, and Memory 3700MHz over 3600MHz) and how much due to the additional frame buffer. From the overclocking results in the same review I would say a fair bit was from the overclock rather than the frame buffer.

    About the PCS+, I was reading on another forum that several people had problems with their PCS+ making grinding noises, and having to tinker with the card bios, otherwise I probably would have ordered it by now.
    Being a sucker for a quiet PC, I saw the spcr about the 260GTX and it went up in my estimation.

    Am I right in thinking it's between the older GTX260, a 1GB 4870 w/ aftermarket cooler (most likely Akasa Vortexx) or the 4870 PCS + ?
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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    4870 would be my choice. If you want more performance than that (some of the time) then the 280 is better (but costs more).
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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    I'm not keen on spending that much tbh...
    I'm settled on the 4870 1GB.
    Does this mean I'll need to move to 64 bit vista?
    I've been planning it for a few months now that I've got 4GB RAM anyway.
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    Re: 260GTX vs 4870

    Quote Originally Posted by format View Post
    I'm not keen on spending that much tbh...
    I'm settled on the 4870 1GB.
    Does this mean I'll need to move to 64 bit vista?
    I've been planning it for a few months now that I've got 4GB RAM anyway.
    You don't HAVE to but you'll miss a fair bit of RAM if you don't.
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