Who's waiting for Nvidia Fermi

[Biscuit]

yeah in the same way as Hitler started an interesting war

[Rollo]

That i wasnt aware of... ok well im with Rollo on that one, that is FAIL

I think I'm giving the wrong impression here.

I think Eyefinity is great, I think 3d Vision is great, and I think 3d Vision Surround is great.

On this forum you guys seem pretty hard on the add on features and pretty focused on "better be cheap, better not make me replace that 500W PSU I bought in 2003, and it better be quiet".

I'm an enthusiast, a computer gamer. Anyone who brings new stuff that makes computer gaming more enjoyable and better than console gaming, I'm all for. My kid has a 360 on a 50" plasma in the rec room, and a PS3 on a 50" plasma in the living room.

I don't want to game on that stuff- I've been a computer gamer since 1987 on the Apple II+.

PC gaming isn't like console gaming- buying specialized equipment gets you a better experience and should. There are proprietary techs, variance among implementation techniques between vendors, and a lot of variables to consider.

When I posted the downsides of EyeFinity, I was only making the point that nothing is perfect in new techs like PhysX, Eyefinity, 3d Surround, 3d Vision. It's no reason to post "Yikes! Not only does it cost more, but it's not perfect! Fail!"

[Biscuit]

But wouldnt both companies get to that 'perfection' if they didnt alienate the other company by working on proprietary technology and blocking each other out in awkward ways. Im not trying to bring up old arguments here im just trying to make the point that i agree but Nvidia dont make it easy for the industry as a whole to progress.

As for power supply and enthusiast stuff... i would happily buy a new power supply to cover the requirements of a more powerful GPU if there wasnt something more efficient with similar performance for cheaper. The costs have to be justified somewhere... if you had to pay for it all maybe you would pick your investments more carefully

[Pob255]

Well unlike you a lot of us cannot afford one 50" plasma tv let alone two.

If you've looked at CAT's recent how much do you usually spend your gaming graphics card the mahority here are willing to pay £100-£200
That's in UK prices, so in something you'll know, a gts250 (about £90-100) to gtx275 (about £185-220)
You also have to remember that here in the EU we get new cards after the US and when we do stocks can be very low, so while a card can be easy to find in the US here stocks can be very limited and sellers can push the prices up.
This also goes for price reductions, when ati or nvidia reduce the cost of a card, it can take a month or two before thoes price reductions filter down to us.

E.G. 5970 are still on pre-order over here and are priced around £540+ ($880)
The gtx285 is still very thin on the ground over here and priced around £300 ($490)

[Pob255]

We never know, perhaps nVidia found a use for all those unused Prescott heatsink/fans

Actually I think ATi bought up the stock of Prescott coolers


Look familier?

[Terbinator]

I feel warm just looking at the first pic.

[b1ue x]

Fermi code name not nice .. 384 bit is not good.

[Rollo]

Well unlike you a lot of us cannot afford one 50" plasma tv let alone two.

If you've looked at CAT's recent how much do you usually spend your gaming graphics card the mahority here are willing to pay £100-£200
That's in UK prices, so in something you'll know, a gts250 (about £90-100) to gtx275 (about £185-220)
You also have to remember that here in the EU we get new cards after the US and when we do stocks can be very low, so while a card can be easy to find in the US here stocks can be very limited and sellers can push the prices up.
This also goes for price reductions, when ati or nvidia reduce the cost of a card, it can take a month or two before thoes price reductions filter down to us.

E.G. 5970 are still on pre-order over here and are priced around £540+ ($880)
The gtx285 is still very thin on the ground over here and priced around £300 ($490)

The thing is, we need some high priced cards at launch to pay for R&D and dev relations.

Those cards lead to much cheaper alternatives for the mainstream, like the high power 4850X2 cards or 4850 CF configs that offer huge bang for buck, or the GTX260C216 SLi configs. (or for that matter 9800GTX+ 3 way)

There needs to be a balance- a mix of high end cards the rich spend big bucks on, with more affordable alternatives. If the whole market goes <$200USD, we may as well go console. The experience won't be all that different.

I am unfamiliar with your pricing and availability, of course.

[Rollo]

Fermi code name not nice .. 384 bit is not good.

Errr....good ol 128bit FTW?

[Hicks12]

Dont know why but that comment rollo, made me Laugh .

whats wrong with 384bit, spammer... its better than Ati's 128bit(majority) or 256bit, but is more expensive aswell .

[Terbinator]

They're going backwards from 448/512-bit WTFINSANEGUYSROFLOLOLOLOLOL. /Sarcasm.

[Domestic_Ginger]

The thing is, we need some high priced cards at launch to pay for R&D and dev relations.

That should read nvidia. Otherwise people will think you are driving people away from the green corner in an official capacity.

[MadduckUK]

That should read nvidia. Otherwise people will think you are driving people away from the green corner in an official capacity.

he is

[ajones]

On this forum you guys seem pretty hard on the add on features and pretty focused on "better be cheap, better not make me replace that 500W PSU I bought in 2003, and it better be quiet".

That's harsh but I agree with the sentiment. It puzzles me why it took you 263 posts to work that out!

But consider this... If I don't want 3D vision, why should I pay nVidia for the feature when I buy one of their cards? The price of their cards will include a component for the R&D they spent on that feature [I'm not inviting a discussion here regarding the merits and pitfalls of licensing].

I'm not speaking for Hexus here; I for one have different values when considering a graphics card purchase, and power / noise are features of all graphics cards that I highly prize. If you don't give a toss about those features, then good for you!

[DanceswithUnix]

I've played with 3d Vision on 24" and 27" monitors that are full 1080P, you'll get your wish son enough.

16X10 is better than you would think it would be on the 22" panels because the double rendering and blending lend a "pseudo AA" effect that make it appear better than standard 16X10. Personally I'm planning on adding 2 more 16X10 panels within a few months of this launching. 3d Surround is the best thing I've ever seen in gaming, and I use a lot of high end stuff.

I'm sure for most uses 1680x1050 panels are excellent, but not for WoW where you want all those icons around the outside of the action, and it is nice to be able to have half your bags open at the same time as the auction house panel and a tradeskill window. My machine uses a Samsung 2048x1152 panel, that is 34% more pixels than a 1680 panel and I love it.

All the multi monitor tech is academic to me. I might be able to scrape the money together for 3 monitors, but finding enough desk space means moving house which would probably end up costing me about £100K. Makes a displayport adapter seem like a bargain price in comparison

[scaryjim]

... Those cards lead to much cheaper alternatives for the mainstream ...

They didn't with GT200. There was nothing new beneath thre GTX260 for - what, about a year? And then it was entry level G210 / GT220, and - very recently - a new low-midrange GT240. There's nothing new between the GT240 and the GTX260 at all - that's pretty much a whole market segment in which NVidia's presence is a tweaked and overclocked 8800GT.

So are we supposed to ignore our recent experiences and blindly trust that NVidia will fill the midrange of the 300 series with anything more than rebranded GTX2xx cards? I'll be very pleased if we do get genuine mid-range fermi-based DX11 cards from NVidia - particularly if they can replace the 9600GT / GT240 (talk about a card hobbled by its memory interface!) with something fast and cheap to compete with the 5670 (which is overpriced for its relative performance). But until those products come to market, I am going to remain sceptical, I'm afraid...