AMD refreshing entire HD5000 series lineup in Q2 2010

[matty-hodgson]

* insufferable?
Forgive me for asking but in school we learn about atomic radii. They are measured in pm which I can only assume is picometres. Now, unless we are talking thousands of femtometres, how is it possible to make something smaller than an atom? It has to be made of atoms.


I bet I'm massively wrong btw, just thought I would ask

The measuring system measures the "space" between the transistors afaik.. "space" can be any size.*

*That could be total BS

[nibbler]

I thought it was that too, someone once explained to me that 45nm meant the accuracy with which they could place a transistor was 45nm either side. Someone else explained to me that it meant the sixe in the individual transistors. Will need to do some research

[nibbler]

32 nm refers to the expected average half-pitch of a memory cell at this technology level.

That cleared up nothing to me. Except maybe that it is the former of the two explanations above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6HMm-cBxp0
This video suggests the transistors are 45nm in size at 1:05

[MadduckUK]

I didn't realize we were engaged in some sort of cheerleading?

cheerleading? i have seen that accusation somewhere before recently...

oh yeah, that was me talking to you. you cheerleader. if you wave your pom-poms and show your knickers enough are you hoping nvidia invites you to the prom?

[TooNice]

To be fair, we don't know enough about the Fermi to know that AMD has 'won' this generation. In all likelihood, the Fermi -will- be outside my budget, but it doesn't mean that it can't be a superior card in practice (I think we can agree it does sound good on paper).

I hope that AMD isn't going to grow complacent on this refresh, if they are to make a significant an impact on their current market share. They did well in Q3 2009 (http://techreport.com/discussions.x/17834), but still have a long way to go (http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey).

Going by Steam's survey, most gamers are still sitting on the exceptionally successful GeForce 8 series. The 8800GTX lead largely because the HD 2900 was late AND flopped, and even the 3870 only proved to be a viable alternative to the also highly acclaimed 8800GT.

As good as the 8800 is, I can imagine that more and more gamers will eventually want to upgrade, and I though I don't expect DX11 to be widely used in a while, I don't see many upgrade to anything less than a DX11 card that they consider an adequate improvement over the 8800 series.

And contrary to Rollo, I do not believe in the concept of 'AMD customer' vs 'nVidia customer'. I would expect most of us to have bought cards from both nVidia and ATI/AMD in the past. That includes people who currently use a GeForce 8800 series card.

So if AMD wants to munch grow their market share in a significant manner, it needs to repeat the success of the ATI R300 series or nVidia's 8800 series. For that, this refresh is going to be quite important.

[Rollo]

You really are insufferable at times .

You just ALWAYS have something to say whenever ATI has something up their sleeve, or if ATI has done something better than NVIDIA, which in this generation of GFX cards, they have.

1. No one seems to care the OP is misinformation. Why? If I posted a thread "NVIDIA refreshing Fermi Q2 2010" I bet some would point it out as inaccurate. (I bet some would accuse me of trying to get people to wait for NVIDIA parts)

2. ATi hasn't done anything better than NVIDIA for this generation. NVIDIA hasn't launched "this generation" so we can't really evaluate it yet. When they do, we'll see. I've used GF100s, I think they're superior personally.

[MadduckUK]

2. ATi hasn't done anything better than NVIDIA for this generation. NVIDIA hasn't launched "this generation" so we can't really evaluate it yet. When they do, we'll see. I've used GF100s, I think they're superior personally.

hi little cheerleader, since amd have been on the market for so long already with the 58's and will still be the only ones for quite a while, imo nvidia have actually missed this "generation" all together. ati's next gen will be sooner after gf100 than gf100 was after 5xxx.

[Pob255]

Yes this is great news.
28nm

You just ALWAYS have something to say whenever ATI has something up their sleeve, or if ATI has done something better than NVIDIA, which in this generation of GFX cards, they have.

Matty calm down, read what Rollo wrote.
He didn't trash ATi, he didn't even pimp nvidia.
All he did was correct the time this was due and point out that a refresh 9-12 months after is common, which it is for both ati and nvidia.



hang on, he didn't even pimp nvidia?

Ok fess up, who's hijacked rollo's account?

[MadduckUK]

hang on, he didn't even pimp nvidia?

Ok fess up, who's hijacked rollo's account?

if he isn't its because he hope people that haven't seen his other posts will think he has a neutral viewpoint.

[Pob255]

1. No one seems to care the OP is misinformation. Why? If I posted a thread "NVIDIA refreshing Fermi Q2 2010" I bet some would point it out as inaccurate. (I bet some would accuse me of trying to get people to wait for NVIDIA parts)

2. ATi hasn't done anything better than NVIDIA for this generation. NVIDIA hasn't launched "this generation" so we can't really evaluate it yet. When they do, we'll see. I've used GF100s, I think they're superior personally.

Oh dear I posted too late.

I do think rollo would sound a little more sane if you stoped pokeing him at every oppertunity
:handbags:

[Pob255]

if he isn't its because he hope people that haven't seen his other posts will think he has a neutral viewpoint.

This doesn't change the fact that the refresh is due for The 2nd half of 2010 not Q2 2010
If someone else had pointed that out first, we'd not tell them to Shut up, or that they are being an nvidia fan boy.

Rollo is an nvidia fanboy but that doesn't make him any less wrong this time.


Still back on topic, 28nm gpu's in Q4 2010 I might just have to put my upgrade off for another 12months

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Well if someone can get a mod to change the title then it would be great.

Anyhow I should have typed H2 not Q2 and it was a typo.

[this_is_gav]

In any case, not really "news" as 9-12 month refreshes are generally expected

Well, re-releases are.

[MadduckUK]

This doesn't change the fact that the refresh is due for The 2nd half of 2010 not Q2 2010

and that doesn't change the fact that even though the cat has cocked up there, cheerleader rollo would have been in here pressing ahead with the good ship nvidia

[Pob255]

and that doesn't change the fact that even though the cat has cocked up there, cheerleader rollo would have been in here pressing ahead with the good ship nvidia

He didn't untill you had a go at him for do it, which at that point he hadn't done.

I'm just trying to give him the benefit of doubt here and think he might be able to make sane non-pro-nvidia posts.

But I guess we'll never know because Rollo baiting seems to have become the norm now.


EDIT: But wouldn't it of been funny if it was true, ATi getting a die shrunk gpu out in Q2, it would have nvidia bricks

Well, re-releases are.

Strangely enough all the re-releases have been accompanied by die shrinks or new lower power pcb's.
They keep shooting themselves in the foot with the eairly cards just being stright re-releases

[MadduckUK]

He didn't untill you had a go at him for do it, which at that point he hadn't done.

I'm just trying to give him the benefit of doubt here and think he might be able to make sane non-pro-nvidia posts.

i expected better pob :|
can Mr. catV send in the evidence please?