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    HD6950 and HD6970 specifications leaked??

    This slide was shown in a thread over on OcUK.



    The HD6900 series use 4D shaders so it is possible that the HD6970 could be trading blows with a GTX580!

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    Re: HD6950 and HD6970 specifications leaked??

    There is also a switch on the cards too. It is either switches the power limiter off or unlocks more stream processors supposedly!

    This picture is from a thread on Guru3D.



    Here is a picture of an HD6950 or HD6970 which was posted on the same OcUK thread I mentioned in post 1.



    Notice how the green sticker says "Slow Speed Board" for some unknown reason.

    Perhaps AMD have implemented Turbo Core for their GPUs.

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    Re: HD6950 and HD6970 specifications leaked??

    Someone had translated a Chinese website with pricing and performance info on Aria of the 6970, I'll try and find it.
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    Re: HD6950 and HD6970 specifications leaked??

    Trading blows with a 580? To be quite honest, I would expect the 6970 to take on the 580 and win, in relatively neutral games of course. Given the massive increase in power consumption, and probably price and the gap between the 6870 and GTX580, if the 6970 is anything but overall on-top of the 580, it'd be a real disappointment. That's only a 35-40% lead it has to take over the 6870, and the 6950 has to sit in the middle of that. From 151W TDP to 230W minimum, I'd expect at least a 35% gain.

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    Re: HD6950 and HD6970 specifications leaked??

    Quote Originally Posted by Terbinator View Post
    Someone had translated a Chinese website with pricing and performance info on Aria of the 6970, I'll try and find it.
    I remember there was mention of leaked Chinese pricing for the HD6900 series and there was a slide floating around with the purported relative performance of an HD6970.

    Quote Originally Posted by sammorris View Post
    Trading blows with a 580? To be quite honest, I would expect the 6970 to take on the 580 and win, in relatively neutral games of course. Given the massive increase in power consumption, and probably price and the gap between the 6870 and GTX580, if the 6970 is anything but overall on-top of the 580, it'd be a real disappointment. That's only a 35-40% lead it has to take over the 6870, and the 6950 has to sit in the middle of that. From 151W TDP to 230W minimum, I'd expect at least a 35% gain.
    I am including the Nvidia biased games too. If the HD6970 is faster overall it would be impressive especially as it has 360 million transistors less than a GTX580 and a much smaller die.

    This would mean that the HD6990 would be significantly faster than an HD5970.

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    Re: HD6950 and HD6970 specifications leaked??

    here's the translation
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    performance similar to gtx570, can't beat gtx580.

    will disappoint A fans (chinese people call them A and nv respectively). i am also a bit disappointed. wait for next wednesday's review.

    3D MARK 11 Extreme 1920X1080 4aa score is 1640

    everyone got it wrong, just received mail that AMD's positioning with 6970 is against gtx570.
    product pricing:
    HD 6970 3299~3399
    HD 6950 2499~2599
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    Re: HD6950 and HD6970 specifications leaked??

    Stranger things have happened, the HD5870 has 864 million fewer transistors than the GTX480 from what I've read, yet is generally very close behind, I would say 5% when unbiased. Taking an average including biased games depends on which ones you included, so I try not to do so, even though almost more games are nvidia-biased now than neutral or the reverse.

    "Faster" than an HD5970 is subjective, depending on where you assume the scaling is. Typically the 5 series scales about 75-80%, so you're looking at about a 50-55% lead on an HD5870. In the worst biased games they scale a bit less than that, but on average, about 50% above the 5870's about right. The GTX580 sits around 30% higher than a 5870 from what I can see.

    Have we established what the HD6990 actually is? To me, it seemed logical to assume that it would be two 6870s. After all, the 5970 is two 5870s at 5850 clocks, but as far as performance goes, is basically just two 5850s. The 5850 is 151W, the 5970 is 294W, which is the certifiable limit for PCIe really. Meanwhile the 6870 is also 151W, and there's no nearby TDP counterpart. It seemed common sense it'd be two 6870s. However, some people are saying it's going to be two 6950s? Not really sure how that'd be possible, as even with some downclocks you'd still be looking at well over 300W TDP.
    Even if the 6990 is just two 6870s, that's a force to be reckoned with, as since the average scaling of the 6800s seems to be 95%, you're looking at about an 85% lead on the HD5870.
    Combining the fact that the HD6 series is about 15% faster per watt, plus the fact it's about 10-12% better in crossfire means that for the same wattage you can probably expect a 25-30% gain in the form of a dual card. Would be fun to see.

    All this said, I'm still going to be looking at two of the 6970s. The fact that the 6800s don't have two CF connectors is very telling, it suggests to me that the new cards aren't any better in QuadCF or TriCF, which means it's going to make more sense to buy two of the biggest GPUs rather than more of the smaller ones.
    Using 3/4 cards seemed merely a necessary evil whilst companies weren't making the GPUs big enough. Now that they are, two seems to be the magic number again, especially now the scaling is almost beyond belief.

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    Re: HD6950 and HD6970 specifications leaked??

    Terbinator: That's 3dmark. Everyone who's anyone knows 3dmark is biased towards nvidia.

    AMD's pricing of the 6800 series is aggressive, the 6850 is almost the same price as the GTX460 1GB, yet it's clearly superior to it. Why should the 6900 not be the same?


    Looking at that further, it makes even less sense.
    The GTX570 and HD6970 being rivals would be retarded, since the 570 is only 7-8% faster than an HD5870. There's no way the 6970 would be that slow, as it would make the 6950 slower than a 5870 also, and given that the 6870 is almost equal to a 5870 already, nah, I don't believe a word of it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fud
    Update: Hold the presses, it's faster
    AMD has talked to some of its favourite journalists and wants to prepare them for the European Cayman launch that should take place on December 15th, exactly seven days from now.

    Some of the lucky ones got the cards that they are testing them as we speak, while partners should have the cards ready to ship early next week. We got a hint about the performance, and we will settle for that.

    AMD's own benchmarketing data claims that Cayman XT is slightly below 20 percent faster than a GTX 480 in 3Dmark Vantage. When we compare our own GTX 480 results and add 20 percent on top of that it turns that Cayman XT loses to both GTX 570 and especially GTX 580.

    It looks like AMD has big gains versus GTX 480 in all OpenGL games including ET Quake Wars, Wolfenstein MP and Chronicles of Riddick, quite old games if you ask us. It is around 20 percent faster than the GTX 480 in these games.

    In HAWX 2 Radeon HD 6970 is some 15 percent faster than the GTX 480, and in Dirt 2 it is over 15 percent faster. When we compare the scores we have with this game and GTX 480 and add additional 15 percent we don’t see it beating the GTX 580, but it gets close.

    The smallest gain is in Far Cry 2 with only a few percent faster than GTX 480, following with World in Conflict where ATI is below 10 percent faster and Metro 2033 where ATI wins by slightly over 10 percent, again vs GTX 480.

    There might be some cases where Radeon HD 6970 will be able to beat the GTX 580, but the first impression is that Nvidia should end up slightly faster in most games.

    Update:

    It appears that our usually well informed source failed us, and forwarded a photoshopped roadmap. So, we plainly got served. We are in the process of gathering more reliable info on Cayman performance and we will write an update as soon as we get something worthwhile. It will clearly end up quite a bit faster and we apologize for the inconvenience.
    Note the last sentence.
    Last edited by sammorris; 11-12-2010 at 06:40 PM.

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    Re: HD6950 and HD6970 specifications leaked??

    Some more pictures of the HD6970 in this thread:

    http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community...l#post15863940

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    Re: HD6950 and HD6970 specifications leaked??

    Quote Originally Posted by sammorris View Post
    Terbinator: That's 3dmark. Everyone who's anyone knows 3dmark is biased towards nvidia.
    Even if it is, the numbers must give some relation to where it lies in the hierarchy?

    I'm not clued up on whats a good/bad score on 3DMark11 so if these results are skewed more than expected i wouldn't know anyway.
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    Re: HD6950 and HD6970 specifications leaked??

    to be honest it wouldn't be a surprise if the 6970 didn't beat the GTX580. It's been a long time since AMD had a single GPU card that could beat nvidia's top single GPU card. They just need to be somewhere close. The 6990 will be the card that will beat the GTX580, and depending on which cores it uses could do so handily (given that a pair of 6850's are about on a par with, if not slightly faster than, the GTX580...). I guess that if they beefed up the voltage regulation for the dual GPU card they might be able to keep power draw in check sufficiently to use 2 Cayman cores...

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    Re: HD6950 and HD6970 specifications leaked??

    It's been a long time since AMD have had a card that has used as much power as an nvidia card, in the high end, remember that.
    The 4870 was 10-12% slower than the GTX280 but used 84W less power. The 5870 was 5-6% slower than the GTX480 but used 100W less power.
    The 3870 was a lot slower than the 8800GTX but also used 50W less, and that wasn't ATI's strong era anyway.

    Given the enormous amount of power the 6970 will use, and how power-efficient the 6850 and 6870 are, there really is no reason at all for AMD not to take the single-GPU lead for the first time.

    Terb:
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    GTS450: 2100
    HD5770: 2700
    GTX460: 3100
    HD5830: 3400
    HD6850: 3600
    HD5850: 3700
    HD6870: 4300
    GTX470: 4300
    HD5870: 4400
    GTX570: 5300
    GTX580: 6000
    HD5970: 6700

    Extreme
    GTS450: 700
    HD5770: 900
    GTX460: 1000
    HD5830: 1100
    HD6850: 1150
    HD5850: 1300
    GTX470: 1350
    HD6870: 1400
    HD5870: 1600
    GTX570: 1700
    GTX580: 1950
    HD5970: 2500

    roughly speaking.

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    Re: HD6950 and HD6970 specifications leaked??

    Not correct. The HD5870 scores 4400 in 3dmark11. Either that's bugged, or it's shopped.

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    AFAIK,the benchmarks are not using the latest drivers. TBH,until the 10.12 drivers are released it is hard to make conclusions about how fast the HD6900 series will be.

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