This slide was shown in a thread over on OcUK.
The HD6900 series use 4D shaders so it is possible that the HD6970 could be trading blows with a GTX580!
This slide was shown in a thread over on OcUK.
The HD6900 series use 4D shaders so it is possible that the HD6970 could be trading blows with a GTX580!
nibbler (11-12-2010)
It's also possible that it won't be terrible at folding!
There is also a switch on the cards too. It is either switches the power limiter off or unlocks more stream processors supposedly!
This picture is from a thread on Guru3D.
Here is a picture of an HD6950 or HD6970 which was posted on the same OcUK thread I mentioned in post 1.
Notice how the green sticker says "Slow Speed Board" for some unknown reason.
Perhaps AMD have implemented Turbo Core for their GPUs.
Someone had translated a Chinese website with pricing and performance info on Aria of the 6970, I'll try and find it.
Kalniel: "Nice review Tarinder - would it be possible to get a picture of the case when the components are installed (with the side off obviously)?"
CAT-THE-FIFTH: "The Antec 300 is a case which has an understated and clean appearance which many people like. Not everyone is into e-peen looking computers which look like a cross between the imagination of a hyperactive 10 year old and a Frog."
TKPeters: "Off to AVForum better Deal - £20+Vat for Free Shipping @ Scan"
for all intents it seems to be the same card minus some gays name on it and a shielded cover ? with OEM added to it - GoNz0.
Trading blows with a 580? To be quite honest, I would expect the 6970 to take on the 580 and win, in relatively neutral games of course. Given the massive increase in power consumption, and probably price and the gap between the 6870 and GTX580, if the 6970 is anything but overall on-top of the 580, it'd be a real disappointment. That's only a 35-40% lead it has to take over the 6870, and the 6950 has to sit in the middle of that. From 151W TDP to 230W minimum, I'd expect at least a 35% gain.
I remember there was mention of leaked Chinese pricing for the HD6900 series and there was a slide floating around with the purported relative performance of an HD6970.
I am including the Nvidia biased games too. If the HD6970 is faster overall it would be impressive especially as it has 360 million transistors less than a GTX580 and a much smaller die.
This would mean that the HD6990 would be significantly faster than an HD5970.
here's the translation
Quote:
performance similar to gtx570, can't beat gtx580.
will disappoint A fans (chinese people call them A and nv respectively). i am also a bit disappointed. wait for next wednesday's review.
3D MARK 11 Extreme 1920X1080 4aa score is 1640
everyone got it wrong, just received mail that AMD's positioning with 6970 is against gtx570.
product pricing:
HD 6970 3299~3399
HD 6950 2499~2599
Kalniel: "Nice review Tarinder - would it be possible to get a picture of the case when the components are installed (with the side off obviously)?"
CAT-THE-FIFTH: "The Antec 300 is a case which has an understated and clean appearance which many people like. Not everyone is into e-peen looking computers which look like a cross between the imagination of a hyperactive 10 year old and a Frog."
TKPeters: "Off to AVForum better Deal - £20+Vat for Free Shipping @ Scan"
for all intents it seems to be the same card minus some gays name on it and a shielded cover ? with OEM added to it - GoNz0.
Stranger things have happened, the HD5870 has 864 million fewer transistors than the GTX480 from what I've read, yet is generally very close behind, I would say 5% when unbiased. Taking an average including biased games depends on which ones you included, so I try not to do so, even though almost more games are nvidia-biased now than neutral or the reverse.
"Faster" than an HD5970 is subjective, depending on where you assume the scaling is. Typically the 5 series scales about 75-80%, so you're looking at about a 50-55% lead on an HD5870. In the worst biased games they scale a bit less than that, but on average, about 50% above the 5870's about right. The GTX580 sits around 30% higher than a 5870 from what I can see.
Have we established what the HD6990 actually is? To me, it seemed logical to assume that it would be two 6870s. After all, the 5970 is two 5870s at 5850 clocks, but as far as performance goes, is basically just two 5850s. The 5850 is 151W, the 5970 is 294W, which is the certifiable limit for PCIe really. Meanwhile the 6870 is also 151W, and there's no nearby TDP counterpart. It seemed common sense it'd be two 6870s. However, some people are saying it's going to be two 6950s? Not really sure how that'd be possible, as even with some downclocks you'd still be looking at well over 300W TDP.
Even if the 6990 is just two 6870s, that's a force to be reckoned with, as since the average scaling of the 6800s seems to be 95%, you're looking at about an 85% lead on the HD5870.
Combining the fact that the HD6 series is about 15% faster per watt, plus the fact it's about 10-12% better in crossfire means that for the same wattage you can probably expect a 25-30% gain in the form of a dual card. Would be fun to see.
All this said, I'm still going to be looking at two of the 6970s. The fact that the 6800s don't have two CF connectors is very telling, it suggests to me that the new cards aren't any better in QuadCF or TriCF, which means it's going to make more sense to buy two of the biggest GPUs rather than more of the smaller ones.
Using 3/4 cards seemed merely a necessary evil whilst companies weren't making the GPUs big enough. Now that they are, two seems to be the magic number again, especially now the scaling is almost beyond belief.
Terbinator: That's 3dmark. Everyone who's anyone knows 3dmark is biased towards nvidia.
AMD's pricing of the 6800 series is aggressive, the 6850 is almost the same price as the GTX460 1GB, yet it's clearly superior to it. Why should the 6900 not be the same?
Looking at that further, it makes even less sense.
The GTX570 and HD6970 being rivals would be retarded, since the 570 is only 7-8% faster than an HD5870. There's no way the 6970 would be that slow, as it would make the 6950 slower than a 5870 also, and given that the 6870 is almost equal to a 5870 already, nah, I don't believe a word of it.
Note the last sentence.Originally Posted by Fud
Last edited by sammorris; 11-12-2010 at 06:40 PM.
Some more pictures of the HD6970 in this thread:
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community...l#post15863940
Kalniel: "Nice review Tarinder - would it be possible to get a picture of the case when the components are installed (with the side off obviously)?"
CAT-THE-FIFTH: "The Antec 300 is a case which has an understated and clean appearance which many people like. Not everyone is into e-peen looking computers which look like a cross between the imagination of a hyperactive 10 year old and a Frog."
TKPeters: "Off to AVForum better Deal - £20+Vat for Free Shipping @ Scan"
for all intents it seems to be the same card minus some gays name on it and a shielded cover ? with OEM added to it - GoNz0.
to be honest it wouldn't be a surprise if the 6970 didn't beat the GTX580. It's been a long time since AMD had a single GPU card that could beat nvidia's top single GPU card. They just need to be somewhere close. The 6990 will be the card that will beat the GTX580, and depending on which cores it uses could do so handily (given that a pair of 6850's are about on a par with, if not slightly faster than, the GTX580...). I guess that if they beefed up the voltage regulation for the dual GPU card they might be able to keep power draw in check sufficiently to use 2 Cayman cores...
It's been a long time since AMD have had a card that has used as much power as an nvidia card, in the high end, remember that.
The 4870 was 10-12% slower than the GTX280 but used 84W less power. The 5870 was 5-6% slower than the GTX480 but used 100W less power.
The 3870 was a lot slower than the 8800GTX but also used 50W less, and that wasn't ATI's strong era anyway.
Given the enormous amount of power the 6970 will use, and how power-efficient the 6850 and 6870 are, there really is no reason at all for AMD not to take the single-GPU lead for the first time.
Terb:
Performance
GTS450: 2100
HD5770: 2700
GTX460: 3100
HD5830: 3400
HD6850: 3600
HD5850: 3700
HD6870: 4300
GTX470: 4300
HD5870: 4400
GTX570: 5300
GTX580: 6000
HD5970: 6700
Extreme
GTS450: 700
HD5770: 900
GTX460: 1000
HD5830: 1100
HD6850: 1150
HD5850: 1300
GTX470: 1350
HD6870: 1400
HD5870: 1600
GTX570: 1700
GTX580: 1950
HD5970: 2500
roughly speaking.
Kalniel: "Nice review Tarinder - would it be possible to get a picture of the case when the components are installed (with the side off obviously)?"
CAT-THE-FIFTH: "The Antec 300 is a case which has an understated and clean appearance which many people like. Not everyone is into e-peen looking computers which look like a cross between the imagination of a hyperactive 10 year old and a Frog."
TKPeters: "Off to AVForum better Deal - £20+Vat for Free Shipping @ Scan"
for all intents it seems to be the same card minus some gays name on it and a shielded cover ? with OEM added to it - GoNz0.
Not correct. The HD5870 scores 4400 in 3dmark11. Either that's bugged, or it's shopped.
AFAIK,the benchmarks are not using the latest drivers. TBH,until the 10.12 drivers are released it is hard to make conclusions about how fast the HD6900 series will be.
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