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    ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    Hi,

    It's time for me to get rid of my SLi GTX 460s and get a nice single card.

    I've narrowed my choices down to the above. I like the ASUS for its excellent cooler, which is cool and very quiet. However, I like EVGA for their quality and overclockability.

    Has anyone had any experience with either of these? I feel that the deciding factor comes down to overclockability so how much overclock have you been able to get out of them?

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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    I've got two of the 670FTWs and they're interesting cards in that they have a full 680 PCB (so the card is larger than a stock 670) and I love them. I am running them on water though and I haven't bothered overclocking them (there's simply no point with two in SLI).
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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    How quiet would you say the FTWs are under full load? I'm swaying towards the ASUS atm because it's very quiet, and because it's also cooler it will boost higher than the EVGA even if they're running with the same overclocks.

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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    The FTW card isn't exactly whisper quiet. A video on HardwareHaven's review of the FTW card shows, in noise levels, that the card is loud under full load. So you want a good silencing case if you want a silent gaming system with that card.

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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    As above I've got a 670 SC, runs around 30c idle most of the time with my heating on 17c. Can get up to 80c under full load but the fan only ramps up to about 40-50% tops, Ive played with the manual fan settings and the thing is loud past 60-70% fan speed.
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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    Quote Originally Posted by dangel View Post
    I've got two of the 670FTWs and they're interesting cards in that they have a full 680 PCB (so the card is larger than a stock 670) and I love them. I am running them on water though and I haven't bothered overclocking them (there's simply no point with two in SLI).
    Does this make a difference? Do they actually put more components on the longer PCB? Or more room per component? Just wondering.

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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    I don't have any experience with the Asus or EVGA cards but I do have a MSI GTX 670 Power Edition which I'd recommend. When gaming the temps are 65-67 degrees with the fan speed at approximately 60%, at this speed you can hear it but it's nowhere near offensive on the ears and if you are gaming you are never going to hear it over your speakers or headphones.

    I do have quite a healthy overclock on mine as well though, I'm 100% stable at +170 core and +600 memory which gives me a fluctuating boost clock of 1330-1370. Most cards are not going to overclock that well though if I understand the architecture correctly, because they are hardware locked to the same TDP/voltage, the MSI Power Edition cards with MSI Afterburner let you put a little more juice through them to get these sort of clocks.

    Looking at the FTW card I don't like that cooler, seems like it would be more noisy/lesser performing than the Asus/MSI ones so I'd go with one of those, something else to consider is perhaps warranty/customer service ratings there is a thread here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...php?t=18231329 that gives some information on the different manufacturers returns/warranties which might help you make a decision.

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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    I don't get it why people actually bother checking noise levels... once you're playing FPS games, turning volumes up, YOU WON'T HEAR ANYTHING FROM YOUR MACHINE. Do you really take time sticking your ear to the side panel and listen to your card??? LOL.

    What I do watch out in cards is potential warping or bending (bowing down). Most aged ASUS cards with DirectCU system is that they warp or bow down due to the sheet weight of the heatsinks and perhaps some design flaw as well, something that is rare for evga's solid boxed type enclosures with support plates inside on their graphic cards.

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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    Thanks for the recommendations guys. I've gone with the ASUS for it's super cooler.

    @najiro - if you check out my case you'll realise that I'd have no problems with warping

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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    Quote Originally Posted by najiro View Post
    I don't get it why people actually bother checking noise levels... once you're playing FPS games, turning volumes up, YOU WON'T HEAR ANYTHING FROM YOUR MACHINE. Do you really take time sticking your ear to the side panel and listen to your card??? LOL.

    What I do watch out in cards is potential warping or bending (bowing down). Most aged ASUS cards with DirectCU system is that they warp or bow down due to the sheet weight of the heatsinks and perhaps some design flaw as well, something that is rare for evga's solid boxed type enclosures with support plates inside on their graphic cards.
    When my baby is sleeping in the next room or my girlfriend is watching tv, I don't want to bother them when I'm gaming with my headset on. For me noise is a big issue. Luckily, the latest hardware seems to be getting quieter. I remember 10 years ago, with that hot hardware and 80mm fans my pc's used to scream. Now with energy efficient hardware and 120 / 200mm coolers, it's more of a gentle buzz...

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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    Quote Originally Posted by Manehead View Post
    Has anyone had any experience with either of these? I feel that the deciding factor comes down to overclockability so how much overclock have you been able to get out of them?
    I've got the Asus 670 DirectCU non TOP, and love it. Although I play quite a few games, a lot of my time is spent doing other things on the windows desktop, and I love how quiet it is. The only time I've ever heard noise from the card is when I deliberately turned the fans up to 100% to find out what it sounded like. Basically, in a normally ventilated case under normal loads, you're not going to hear the card at all. Which is how it should be

    I can't really comment on overclocking as I haven't tried it - I haven't needed to I'm gaming at 1920x1200 & it plays everything at fantastic frame rates. Of course as newer more demanding games come out that may change, but for a single monitor setup like mine, it's currently more than adequate.

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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    Quote Originally Posted by najiro View Post
    What I do watch out in cards is potential warping or bending (bowing down). Most aged ASUS cards with DirectCU system is that they warp or bow down due to the sheet weight of the heatsinks and perhaps some design flaw as well, something that is rare for evga's solid boxed type enclosures with support plates inside on their graphic cards.
    My Asus 670 has a metal backplate on the PCB which adds a great deal rigidity; I've certainly not seen any signs of bending or warping. My case has the graphics card hanging down vertically though, so the chances of any such distortion to the card is minimal.

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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    Just got the card this morning. Looking forward to swapping out my 2 GTX460s and tidying up the case a bit.

    @Jimbob: Good case choice How are you finding the card temps with it rotated 90 degrees? One thing I was worried about when choosing a card is that some cards in this orientation will perform poorly due to the heatpipes not liking the vertical orientation. The Asus looks OK though as most of the heatpipes are horizontal.

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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    Quote Originally Posted by Manehead View Post
    Just got the card this morning. Looking forward to swapping out my 2 GTX460s and tidying up the case a bit.

    @Jimbob: Good case choice How are you finding the card temps with it rotated 90 degrees? One thing I was worried about when choosing a card is that some cards in this orientation will perform poorly due to the heatpipes not liking the vertical orientation. The Asus looks OK though as most of the heatpipes are horizontal.
    Yeah I love the FT02 I had a few issues with cable management when building my system, but the cooling is superb. Maybe even a bit too good though, as the air penetrator fans do tend to suck up more dust than my vacuum cleaner! But hey, that's what fan filters are for

    My card temps are great - idles at 27 degrees and goes up to around 70 degrees, depending on the game & ambient temp. In the reviews I read for the FT02 they did recommend using a 'blower' type card so that the warm air is ejected out the top of the case, but I've not had any problems with the Asus.

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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    Quote Originally Posted by Manehead View Post
    Just got the card this morning. Looking forward to swapping out my 2 GTX460s and tidying up the case a bit.

    @Jimbob: Good case choice How are you finding the card temps with it rotated 90 degrees? One thing I was worried about when choosing a card is that some cards in this orientation will perform poorly due to the heatpipes not liking the vertical orientation. The Asus looks OK though as most of the heatpipes are horizontal.
    Agh...I'm such a dunce! I've only just noticed in your profile that you already have the FT02. I wish they'd made a red edition with USB3, as I'd definitely have stumped up the extra cash for it! I'm sure your 670 will be very happy in its new home

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    Re: ASUS GTX 670 DirectCU non TOP vs EVGA GTX 670 FTW

    Quick update!

    Put the card in last night, and tidied up the case. Looks much cleaner with just 1 card and a lot less cables around. The card is very quiet, and I struggle to hear the difference between the noise levels at idle and full load. Most of the noise I hear now is coming from the 3 180mm Air Penetrators which are very quiet already.

    On the down side, I haven't had much success with overclocking. The card comes at default clocks, and I was hoping to at least get to the same clocks as the TOP version. Unfortunately it fell way short at only +100MHz (1015 base, can't remember the boost), which translates to ~1200MHz max in game.

    I tried adding more voltage but it doesn't seem to do anything as it affects the minimum voltage, not the max, which is fixed at 1.175v. The memory fared a bit better at +500 (7000MHz effective), but the core clocks are disappointing.

    I have been using MSI Afterburner to do the overclocking, but tonight when I get back I'll give EVGA Precision X a go, as I've heard it allows higher minimum volts. I'm not getting my hopes up though.

    Anyway, managed to break 40000 points in 3DMark Vantage so I'm happy, but I would love to get the core clocks higher. Anyone got any other tips/suggestions?
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