NVIDIA to Name GK110-based Consumer Graphics Card "GeForce Titan"

This supposed SKU will supposedly cost $899:

http://www.techpowerup.com/179090/NV...tan-quot-.html

Supposedly,it will be 85% as fast a GTX690.

So they are finally going to release the real gtx680......

And at a silly price-point :(

The only issue is that even say with a 20% improvement,a GTX780 would be not massively slower:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/V..._Black/28.html

85% of a GTX690 would make the GeForce Titan,only around 20% to 25% faster than a GTX780.

Perhaps now we know why they started to gimp overclocking!!:p

So not even a the full-fat GK110, either.

Bring back TNT name :)

wonder if ot possible to connect the nvidia titan gfx card to the ati 6990 i got at the mo, is it possible to sli them?

I mite be interested in it, if it allows me to ditch Sli and game at 2560x1440 with the eye candy turned up.

Its being released on February 18th:

http://videocardz.com/39536/nvidia-g...-february-18th

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So not even a the full-fat GK110, either.

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Even the cherry-picked top end compute cards are not full-fat GK110. It's too big a chip to fab properly, like original Fermi was. If they can respin it they might have a decent 7 series...

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wonder if ot possible to connect the nvidia titan gfx card to the ati 6990 i got at the mo, is it possible to sli them?

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Given SLI is an nvidia technology, and you have an ATI graphics card....? :O_o1:

Erm.... no. Not sure how you could even think that might be possible...?

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The only issue is that even say with a 20% improvement,a GTX780 would be not massively slower:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/V..._Black/28.html

85% of a GTX690 would make the GeForce Titan,only around 20% to 25% faster than a GTX780.

Perhaps now we know why they started to gimp overclocking!!:p

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Im confused as to the relevance of the link?

Also, i didnt know a GTX780 had been announced?

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Im confused as to the relevance of the link?

Also, i didnt know a GTX780 had been announced?

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Maybe look at the chart again?? Add 20% to the GTX680 percentage and compare it to the GTX690?? Then look at where a Geforce Titan is??

Its also the newest TPU review at the time I made the post and has the latest drivers for the AMD and Nvidia cards.

Plus also it seems this is not a GTX780.

Its called Geforce Titan officially it seems and is a limited edition part with added bling like the GTX690/

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At 1920X1200 that would give a Geforce Titan 173.4% and 20% to the GTX680 will give you 153.45% which is not massively faster.

Even if the Geforce Titan was a 50% faster than a GTX680,the GTX780 still has to be around 20% to 25% faster than a GTX680 anyway,to make much sense as a generation.
They can't make the generation too small a jump as AMD will also have its cards out at the end of the year too.

Now you see the issue. Nvidia gimped overclocking with the GTX680 and most likely it will do the same with the GTX780,as an overclocked GTX780 would actually be not far behind.

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Maybe look at the chart again?? Add 20% to the GTX680 percentage and compare it to the GTX690?? Then look at where a Geforce Titan is??

Its also the newest TPU review at the time I made the post and has the latest drivers for the AMD and Nvidia cards.

Plus also it seems this is not a GTX780.

Its called Geforce Titan officially it seems and is a limited edition part with added bling like the GTX690/

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At 1920X1200 that would give a Geforce Titan 173.4% and 20% to the GTX680 will give you 153.45% which is not massively faster.

Even if the Geforce Titan was a 50% faster than a GTX680,the GTX780 still has to be around 20% to 25% faster than a GTX680 anyway,to make much sense as a generation.
They can't make the generation too small a jump as AMD will also have its cards out at the end of the year too.

Now you see the issue. Nvidia gimped overclocking with the GTX680 and most likely it will do the same with the GTX780,as an overclocked GTX780 would actually be not far behind.

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So you are calling the Titan a 780?

Thats what was confusing me... your as bad as the manufacturers themself, stick to one name! :p

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So you are calling the Titan a 780?

Thats what was confusing me... your as bad as the manufacturers themself, stick to one name!

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There are two parts:
1.)Geforce Titan which is going to be £600 to £700 which is based on the GK110
2.)The GTX680 successor,the GTX780,which is most likely to be based on the GK114

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

There are two parts:
1.)Geforce Titan which is going to be £600 to £700 which is based on the GK110
2.)The GTX680 successor,the GTX780,which is most likely to be based on the GK114

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There is not a single piece of supporting information about the 780 on this thread, hence my confusion when the name started getting thrown around. Is this thread perhaps a continuation/spin off of another one?

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There is not a single piece of supporting information about the 780 on this thread, hence my confusion when the name started getting thrown around. Is this thread perhaps a continuation/spin off of another one?

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I have mentioned TWO different cards,GTX780 and Geforce Titan even from my second post. The title says the Geforce Titan is GK110 based,as the GTX780 has been rumoured to be GK114 based.

Use your imagination. There is GTX680 which was released. It is going to be replaced. Name of the replacement,GTX780.

What the heck to do you think the GTX680 replacement is being called, 4389840jiofjidsjfdiokjgiojgdfs MK2??

Geforce Titan - limited edition card using GK110 cores. Not GTX780.

GTX780 uses GK114:

http://videocardz.com/35441/nvidia-g...d-on-gk114-gpu

I am sure that has been mentioned on Hexus and its 5 months old.

Now,since the GK110 based card is a limited edition Geforce Titan SKU,the name of the GTX680 replacement is the GTX780.

Geforce Titan has been purported to have 85% of the performance of a GTX690,ie,not beating it. Another person,OBR(who I won't link to),gave an average of 50% over a GTX680 since he has one(supposedly) and leaked Nvidia card information before.

Its not rocket science.

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The US price is purported to be $899 and on both XS and OcUK(one of their employees),said the Geforce Titan will have limited worldwide numbers,just like the GTX690.

With UK VAT imagine the price??

It was listed at 900 Euro in another country:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GeF...nch,20977.html

However,graphics cards tend to be cheaper over here.

Even the price tells you its not replacing a GTX680.

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FFS,use your imagination. There is GTX680 which was released. It is going to be replaced. Name of the replacement,GTX780.

What the heck to do you think the GTX680 replacement is being called, 4389840jiofjidsjfdiokjgiojgdfs MK2??

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Calm down, Cat.

Don't think Cat's the one that needs to calm down to be honest.

So £800 ?
Let's see what the red team have as well. I'm thinking that this is a planned distraction for the 8000 series launch.

Probably £600 to £700 IMHO,but a number of people are excited about this on forums,even to the extent of driving up to the shops pre-launch,so price gouging is going to probably happen at least in the UK.

I am hoping the GTX780 and HD8970 offer at least 20% improvement,as that means the £100 to £150 cards for us mere mortals,might finally be a good performance jump.

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Even the cherry-picked top end compute cards are not full-fat GK110. It's too big a chip to fab properly, like original Fermi was. If they can respin it they might have a decent 7 series...

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Of course, it's still annoying you'd be paying a small fortune for half a card.

I am looking forward to this from an architecture/something to read point of view, though, especially how the extra bandwidth from the bigger bus affects thins as its essentially just a bigger 680 on the surface assuming none of the fancy server stuff is retained.

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

Probably £600 to £700 IMHO,but a number of people are excited about this on forums,even to the extent of driving up to the shops pre-launch,so price gouging is going to probably happen at least in the UK.

I am hoping the GTX780 and HD8970 offer at least 20% improvement,as that means the £100 to £150 cards for us mere mortals,might finally be a good performance jump.

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The amount of people looking to buy one from that OcUK thread is insane.

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If the bus width has increased decently...a 20% performance boost at 1080p could end up being 50% or more at 1440p+

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Whoaahhhhhh... sorry for getting confused and not being 100% on top of every single tiny thing that happens in the PC industry :shocked2:

I had no prior knowledge there was any movement on a 780, be it GK114 or otherwise. Whether its 5 months old or not, i didn't know!

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Don't think Cat's the one that needs to calm down to be honest.

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Im totally calm, i was just confused as to what was being talked about

Supposedly,a "speculative" look at Geforce Titan performance:

http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/mo...mid=955&page=0

However,BSN says they have tested the Geforce Titan and it scores 4870 in the 3DMark Fire Stream Extreme preset:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...d-hd-7990.aspx

Supposed leak of HD8000 series and GTX700 series specifications:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...&postcount=615

The GTX780 has a 384 bit memory controller?? These were listed on the TPU website,so they could not be true.

Chinese bloke says Titan is like a 2GHZ HD7970:

http://bbs.expreview.com/thread-55910-1-1.html

So its twice the speed of an HD7970??

Impressive if true.

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Impressive if true.

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Depends if it costs twice as much ;)

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Depends if it costs twice as much ;)

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If you are lucky!! :p

At £800 this is just a distraction from the 8000 launch surely ?

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At £800 this is just a distraction from the 8000 launch surely ?

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A 6 month early distraction?

Hype buildup. They'll have a paper launch just beforehand.

Unless the GTX700 series is being released soon,they can use this as marketing to keep prices stable.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-g...18th-february/

It seems the 2GHZ HD7970 claim is when a GTX680 is faster than an HD7970 GHZ Edition.

http://i.imgur.com/1O0tiPU.jpg

I don't like the look of it! It uses clear plastic on the cooler - looks a bit tacky.

The GTX690 looks nicer!

http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_car...0BD/FrontB.jpg

Actually it looks like they first designed it without the perspex then did some testing - shock horror, seems that nVidia actually do some testing these day after bumpgate - and found that without the shroud it didn't cool well enough.

PCI-E slots were never designed for this much weight though, a desktop case seems better than a tower for these monsters.

Some cards have had come with supports for years now.
http://www.overclock.net/g/i/724315/...imag0017-jpeg/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814999028

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Some cards have had come with supports for years now.
http://www.overclock.net/g/i/724315/...imag0017-jpeg/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814999028

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Ah, I only ever saw DIY solutions for this. Graphic Card Supporter that sounds like someone who buys two of these at launch after having had two 690s for a few months - and possibly two Mars 7990 too!

http://videocardz.com/images/2013/02...Titan-Back.jpg

Naked Geforce Titan:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...&postcount=912

But £800 ?
With a 690 at ~£700 what's the point ?

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But £800 ?
With a 690 at ~£700 what's the point ?

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I guess it's just so they can say they have the undisputed fastest single chip card on the market.

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But £800 ?
With a 690 at ~£700 what's the point ?

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Presumably it should be a lot better with energy usage, temps, noise and so on.

And if you're totally insane, SLI gives more potential.

I should remember to post less on OcUK at times. Called the GK110 a second generation Kepler part and someone got annoyed! Seriously??

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I should remember to post less on OcUK at times. Called the GK110 a second generation Kepler part and someone got annoyed! Seriously??

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His name wasn't similar to a certain chocolate covered caramel sweet where giving away the last of the packet is considered a sign of affection was it? ;)

Review and product launch delayed until Thursday?

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His name wasn't similar to a certain chocolate covered caramel sweet where giving away the last of the packet is considered a sign of affection was it? ;)

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I was under the impression that particular chap had been banned from pretty much everywhere?

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His name wasn't similar to a certain chocolate covered caramel sweet where giving away the last of the packet is considered a sign of affection was it? ;)

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I was under the impression that particular chap had been banned from pretty much everywhere?

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Funnily,no. However,rollo is active on XS and Bit-tech. Do you know it seems rollo,was probably the main Nvidia Focus Group member or recruited others too?? It seems one of the main mods over on Anandtech forums was Nvidia Focus Group for years,until after years of complaints,this year it was revoked. OTH,an Intel engineer who worked on Haswell is also a mod over on the same forum.

Some Nvidia Geforce Titan slides:

http://videocardz.com/39662/nvidia-g...ed-to-feb-19th

if it really ends up anywhere near £800, they can go whistle and I'll wait until they stop fleecing customers and go back to the prices things used to be.....

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I was under the impression that particular chap had been banned from pretty much everywhere?

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He has, but he's also resigned from the nVidia Focus Group apparently. Whether that will get him back into some of those forums, I have no idea.

Looks like that particular movement is being wound down, although they're probably replacing it with something similarly insidious.

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if it really ends up anywhere near £800, they can go whistle and I'll wait until they stop fleecing customers and go back to the prices things used to be.....

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I heard £600 to £700. I could be wrong though.

I heard 800 Euros/Dollars. That would put it well over £700 with taxes.

Well there's some on ebay and they're not cheap!!! (as you can imagine)

Leaked slides:

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-officiall...gle-chip-gpus/

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/u...an-635x381.png

So 25% to 50% faster than a HD7970 GHZ Edition.

http://cdn2.wccftech.com/wp-content/...52-635x369.png

No wonder they gimped GTX680 overclocking.

Technologically interesting, Captain. But the 690 even looks better.

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Technologically interesting, Captain. But the 690 even looks better.

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You HD7970 overclocked might not be massively behind Geforce Titan in many games??

I don't get the BF3 results
http://cdn4.wccftech.com/wp-content/...52-635x359.png

I wonder how much the 200MHz less core clock has affected performance compared to two 670s etc.

£800 per card lol.

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/i'm%...8377-Im-ou.gif

Why don't they compared dual GTX690 cards against dual GTX Titan cards?

They are comparing 8 GPUs against 3 which is not really fair,as scaling on 8 GPUs won't be very good!

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http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/i'm%...8377-Im-ou.gif

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That gif just warranted a thanks!!

Release is at 2PM tommorrow it seems:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...postcount=1219

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Why don't they compared dual GTX690 cards against dual GTX Titan cards?

They are comparing 8 GPUs against 3 which is not really fair,as scaling on 8 GPUs won't be very good!



That gif just warranted a thanks!!

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Dual 690 is 4 GPUs?

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Dual 690 is 4 GPUs?

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So its dual cards?? So how can it be quad GTX690 SLI??

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So its dual cards?? So how can it be quad GTX690 SLI??

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As in quad-SLI is 4 GPUs in total, that's my understanding anyhow. The 690 can only be SLi'd with another card.

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As in quad-SLI is 4 GPUs in total, that's my understanding anyhow. The 690 can only be SLi'd with another card.

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The thing is though that is still two GTX690 cards,so its technically GTX690 SLI with quad GPUs.

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£800 per card lol.

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/i'm%...8377-Im-ou.gif

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GIF-Of-The-Day !

I'll read some of the reviews when they come out just to see if nVidia's PR machine has managed to pull off some trickery with their Reviewers Guide and to see if any reviewers are willing to step outside of that and do their own benchmarks and settings.

In other words I'll try to review the reviewers and see if I can spot the toadies so that in the futre I won't waste my time reading their spiel.

Still NV are very aware of the halo effect and probably with good reason: it has worked very well for them in the past because people tend to generalise. It's like with Intel and the i7/i5; just because they beat AMD's FX people immediately assume that this applies across the board despite i3/Pentium/Celeron often looses to AMD's equiv.

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Leaked slides:

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-officiall...gle-chip-gpus/

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/u...an-635x381.png

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I like how they have made the scale relative rather than absolute fps, otherwise someone might notice its OTT and a much cheaper card is more than quick enough.

£750 now, or £250 for three generations let me think...

To be fair, nobody's suggesting that you need to spend £750 on a graphics card. I doubt many people will. But I'm glad the option is there, nonetheless.

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Built on the GK110 silicon, the Titan (named after the worlds fastest supercomputer) features a whopping 2688 CUDA cores with 7.1 billion transistors, 6GB of GDDR5 memory and an impressive 250W TDP. The GK110 core that lies at the heart of the Titan is clocked to 837MHz and boosts to 876MHz, whilst the memory stays at the usual 1502MHz (6GHz effective) clock.

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now official

Is it only me who thinks that nv are going to put a lot of effort into the drivers for titan tri and quad (and maybe less into the 680/future 780 tri/quad sli) in order to show it in the best light?
Nvidia are the masters of marketing, especially with the 690 SLI vs tri titans comparison, knowing quad sli scaling is poor. It seems like all nv care about is having the best halo product and image. To be honest i would much rather have tri 7950s (despite cf issues) than 1 titan, and still have enough money left over to get a ssd.

Nah, they will sell so few of them that they would be silly to let the mainstream support be affected by it.

The price (just like the 600 series to a lesser extent) is utterly retarded. Charging "what they can".....I wouldn't be surprised if they are putting a 300-600%+ mark-up on these.

If this is the "future", then I guess it may be time to downsize my monitors. I refuse to pay £800 for a graphics card upgrade every year or two and I am sure I am not the only "high end gamer" who is also thinking the same.

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Nah, they will sell so few of them that they would be silly to let the mainstream support be affected by it.

The price (just like the 600 series to a lesser extent) is utterly retarded. Charging "what they can".....I wouldn't be surprised if they are putting a 300-600%+ mark-up on these.

If this is the "future", then I guess it may be time to downsize my monitors. I refuse to pay £800 for a graphics card upgrade every year or two and I am sure I am not the only "high end gamer" who is also thinking the same.

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This definitely isnt the future, with PC sales on a decline i think AMD and Nvidia need to keep the current price sectors as they are. I would be very surprised if this was anything more than another 'limited' run just like the GTX690 and the Asus Ares

RRP £827.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...erence,11.html

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This definitely isnt the future, with PC sales on a decline i think AMD and nVidia need to keep the current price sectors as they are. I would be very surprised if this was anything more than another 'limited' run just like the GTX690 and the Asus Ares

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The 600 series cards are over-priced as well though....which half justifies the price of these cards. The entire nVidia range is at least 50% over-priced compared to previous generations.

Of course people could say that they aren't, which would imply that nVidia sees 1080p as the future. Which it clearly is not.

Selling "680"s with stupid bandwidth limitations, then releasing the "real 680" at £800+. Milking every penny they can in a flagrant show of "because we can"

I am starting to think that nVidia are moving their business and high-end gfx cards will be stupidly priced from now on. The high-end chips will go to businesses as £3k compute cards, rather then £500 gaming cards.....once yeilds improve, we will start to see cards like titan filtering through.

Nvidia are a business, is it wrong for them to want to make money?

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Nvidia are a business, is it wrong for them to want to make money?

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Certainly not.

But I'm not a business, I'm a consumer (as I guess most people on these forums are when it comes to graphics cards). As a consumer, I want suppliers to offer the cheapest prices.

Am I wrong for wanting them "not to make quite so much" money?

Naive maybe, but not unreasonable.

1600p Linus review:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghDS73GSbp0

http://i.imgur.com/SZ1d77B.png

http://i.imgur.com/Fa9dX4U.png

Asus should definately do another limited run of ARES cards

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Asus should definately do another limited run of ARES cards

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http://www.scan.co.uk/products/6gb-a...-gpu-1050mhz-b

Looking at those graphs the AMD cards seem to be doing better than the equivalent Nvidia cards in BF3 and Crysis2.

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Certainly not.

But I'm not a business, I'm a consumer (as I guess most people on these forums are when it comes to graphics cards). As a consumer, I want suppliers to offer the cheapest prices.

Am I wrong for wanting them "not to make quite so much" money?

Naive maybe, but not unreasonable.

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So you buy AMD, and if enough people do this then Nvidia will have to lower prices.

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http://www.scan.co.uk/products/6gb-a...-gpu-1050mhz-b

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Ah so they did another run, or they havent sold them all yet?

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Ah so they did another run, or they havent sold them all yet?

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Probably not sold!!