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    Agp/pci

    I've got an older machine with an AGP slot on the motherboard for my graphics card, and I'd like to upgrade to a new a newer card, and I'm wondering if the graphics card will function if I get a card with a PCI interface and plug it into one of my board's PCI slots?

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    Re: Agp/pci

    Just to check you aren't getting confused, you know PCI and PCI Express are different things right?

    PCI graphics cards are rubbish too, that's why AGP (accelerated graphics port) exists.

    PCI Express is the replacement of both.

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    Re: Agp/pci

    It should work, but why would you choose to use PCI over AGP? AGP was introduced in 1996, so the performance of cards that predate that date will be pretty dire by today's standards.

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    Just read the post above, which might explain the confusion?
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    Re: Agp/pci

    OP: what's your current card and other system specs? There are a few more recent AGP graphics cards (although mostly now only available second on ebay) that might be an upgrade for you, but it's possible that the rest of your system would bottleneck a more powerful card anyway, making the upgrade pointless. There's also a reasonable chance that modern integrated graphics would actually be more powerful than your existing card, meaning you could upgrade your entire system quite cheaply and get better gaming performance too

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    Quote Originally Posted by grayg1 View Post
    Just to check you aren't getting confused, you know PCI and PCI Express are different things right?
    Yep, I did get them mixed up. I built my computer 12 years ago but it's starting to fail, and seeing as I don't don't really need anything all that fast I thought I'd go with an older board and graphics card and save myself some money, but I wasn't quite sure about the different types of graphics interface slots (I haven't been keeping up on computer technology), and that's why I posed the question.

    So to sum up, AGP is really old and just about any board that I could buy these days will no doubt have PCI-E slots, so a PCI-E graphics card is what I want. Got it.

    Thank you to everybody that replied. :>)

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    Re: Agp/pci

    Quote Originally Posted by McCormack View Post
    So to sum up, AGP is really old and just about any board that I could buy these days will no doubt have PCI-E slots, so a PCI-E graphics card is what I want. Got it.
    If you're buying a brand new system yes. Your current motherboard won't have PCI-E

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    Re: Agp/pci

    Quote Originally Posted by McCormack View Post
    Yep, I did get them mixed up. I built my computer 12 years ago but it's starting to fail, and seeing as I don't don't really need anything all that fast I thought I'd go with an older board and graphics card and save myself some money, but I wasn't quite sure about the different types of graphics interface slots (I haven't been keeping up on computer technology), and that's why I posed the question.

    So to sum up, AGP is really old and just about any board that I could buy these days will no doubt have PCI-E slots, so a PCI-E graphics card is what I want. Got it.

    Thank you to everybody that replied. :>)
    You want to buy a card that works with your motherboard, not a card that has the latest'n'greatest interface... PCI-E / AGP / PCI are non-compatible interface, so you need to make sure you match motherboard / gfx card interface correctly, otherwise you'll be wasting your hard-earned.

    It's likely that any system upgrade to support PCI-Express will probably require you starting from scratch (MoBo + CPU + RAM etc), which doesn't have to be too expensive since I'm thinking that maybe an onchip solution would probably do for you. Alternatively, if you want a new card for your existing system, you want to look for a 2nd hand AGP or PCI graphics card.

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    Re: Agp/pci

    Not so much old, but really really really really old (which summerizes the release of pci-e0
    If you want to use that system, then you're looking at purchasing an old second hand AGP graphics card, or something that's been sat in a store room for upwards of 5 years.

    I know that we all get attached to our computers, but I would consider a full rebuild at some stage, or maybe save up to go with the new intel heswell processors in a few months. failing that, it's time to check ebay!

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    Re: Agp/pci

    You'd honestly be best buying a cheap new AMD system. Even the lowest GPU that is integrated into the CPU will beat every AGP based card ever released.

    Failing that, I'd look at a second hand GPU. Only a few quid off the bay - probably from free on here if you ask nicely in the wanted forum.
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    Re: Agp/pci

    Yes, building a new system is an option that I'm considering, but what's keeping me from pulling the trigger is that I've got my all my programs customized just the way I want them, and I detest taking all the time necessary to first try and remember where I put the all programs' install CDs, and then taking the time to load the programs, and then try and remember my settings for all the programs.

    I've also got my registry pretty heavily tweaked for speed purposes, and I don't remember half the things I did to it, so it'll be a major pain to try and get that back to where I had it.

    My computer is plenty fast for me, and I recently swapped in some new parts such as a new hard drive, and DVD drive, and a bigger CPU cooler and fan, and also some used stuff like a replacement motherboard for the one that was failing. That stuff is IDE so I won't be able I can't migrate it to a new system, so I'm very reluctant to let 'er go. But I might just build a new one anyway.

    While I've got your attention, I recently had Roadrunner internet installed and the cable tech set up my computer to get online and I didn't pay attention to how he did it, so if I build a new system and want to get on line, which wizard do I use to set up the machine, the LAN?

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    Re: Agp/pci

    Quote Originally Posted by McCormack View Post
    While I've got your attention, I recently had Roadrunner internet installed and the cable tech set up my computer to get online and I didn't pay attention to how he did it, so if I build a new system and want to get on line, which wizard do I use to set up the machine, the LAN?
    I'm not too familiar with RoadRunner connections, but have you got a router between your modem and pc? If so, then I can't see a problem with just plugging in you new PC into the router. If you go straight into the modem however, you may need to reset the modem to break any pairing between it and the old pc. A quick google suggests as such, but also recomends that banding a router in is the best solution in the long term.

    I do recall having problems with Virgin, since the MAC address of the first device connected to the modem is recording against your account. Try to use a different interface card thus caused the internet connection to fail (and you had to wait 24 hours before the old MAC address on the account was flushed). The only way around it was to spoog the MAC address of the new interface to the same as originally connected device. Maybe something similar is going on with Roadrunner, but it's local to the modem/PC in the home.

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    Re: Agp/pci

    Nope, I don't have a router. In the past I was able to successfully set up a phone modem using my Windows internet wizard... do I do the same for a cable modem?

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