3000 founders edition cards UK

[virtuo]

Which page do the FE cards show up on Scan? I never seen them listed in the nvidia card pages, just the AIB versions.

You have to go through the nvidia store, the link on scan changes every time

Sorry, probably a noob question but how do you get the alerts, do you have to add individual 3080 models to your wish list?

There's various twitter, discord and telegram bots that ping out when they are available. There may be email notifications from retailers but they usually arrive too late.

[Kanoe]

Maybe i been unlucky then, been stalking the nvidia store for weeks and never seen it say anything other than Out of Stock

[xbloke]

Which page do the FE cards show up on Scan? I never seen them listed in the nvidia card pages, just the AIB versions.

You buy through nvidia's store (sorry can't post a link until 5 posts) and it redirects you to the new Scan page. Scan don't have a static page for it so it doesn't get hit with thousands of bots.

I really recommend using the PartAlert discord channel as it somehow consistently gets alerts 5 mins before my web monitors see stock (to do with browser caching I think). The link from the PartAlert discord will also take you straight to the Scan page and bypass the nvidia store.

[xbloke]

Sorry, probably a noob question but how do you get the alerts, do you have to add individual 3080 models to your wish list?

With the PartAlert discord channel you can filter based on location, FE editions, different 30XX models. Instructions are under the "sign-up-here" group. There are also community alerts which can be pretty useful.

[wazzickle]

I've never seen such a clever bunch of people so willing to disengage the critical thinking part of their brain just because faster graphics zomg

[dannyboy75]

I've never seen such a clever bunch of people so willing to disengage the critical thinking part of their brain just because faster graphics zomg

Love you too

Joking aside, I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s getting a bit sick of being told how I can and can’t spend my own money. Please give it a rest now. You’ve made your point (multiple times) but please give it a rest now.

[wazzickle]

There's no need to get defensive, I'm not telling anyone how to spend their money, I'm trying to explain the causal link between rushing out to buy something as soon as you can and then complaining later about scalpers and high prices. It doesn't feel like I have made my point if everyone's still trying to jump on the bandwagon, and don't forget, your actions cause others' to have to either wait or pay higher prices, no man is an island, so I'm not just doing it for your benefit, I'm doing it for my own, because one day maybe I'd like a 3060ti too. But you do you, man

[dannyboy75]

There's no need to get defensive, I'm not telling anyone how to spend their money

You say there's no need to get defensive, but I don't come to this forum to be patronised. Your previous post infers that those of us trying to buy a 3000-series card now (even though they were released nearly 4 months ago) are lacking in mental capacity because we're impatient, or desperate for "faster graphics zomg". So, at the very least, you're telling us when to spend our money. I appreciate it may be well-intentioned, but I can assure you it doesn't come across that way when you starting questioning the thought processes of other forum members, and especially when you do it repeatedly. Sounding like a stuck record isn't a good look.

Not that it's any of your business, but I have perfectly valid reasons for wanting to purchase a newer graphics card (trying to run Flight Simulator 2020 in VR being one of them) so, if I can pick one up in the coming weeks or months from a reputable retailer at, or close to, RRP then I choose to do so. That's nobody's business but mine, and doesn't mean I lack the ability to think critically, despite what you may believe. Perhaps I just have a different budget and set of priorities to you.

If that means you have to wait a bit longer to purchase your next GPU of choice then I'm sorry, but that's life, and market forces. Deal with it.

[wazzickle]

It seems you realize you're acting both selfishly and irrationally. As long as you know you're costing yourself money and others, there's not much more I can do. Not sure why your desire to run Flight Simulator 2020 right now is worth more than my desire to get 144 fps on my games. And I've shown how it's not just your business what you do with your money. Of course, you're free to ignore logic and facts and pretend your actions just go straight into the void of never having existed once they're done, and that freedom mirrors my freedom to repeat the message until you actually understand the words I'm saying.

You can choose whether to feel patronised or not, and your inability to manage your own emotions is not my concern. I didn't come into this forum to bang my head against the wall and have people ignore me, but here we are.

[kalniel]

No need for any personal attacks.

Buying is a personal decision, and yes, that does affect other people, but that's the buyer's right as well. Just because we're affected by something doesn't mean we have a right to change anything or not be ignored. Places like forums are great places were we can all learn about each other's opinions and how we are affected by things, but once that's said we should respect each other's choices or the forums stop becoming a useful place and start becoming school playgrounds.

And yes, that's just my opinion about forums. I won't be offended if it's ignored

[DanceswithUnix]

I'm trying to explain the causal link between rushing out to buy something as soon as you can and then complaining later about scalpers and high prices.

I don't think release day pricing has ever been much of a problem, though the way Nvidia seems to subsidise a limited run of FE cards to make them appear better value in reviews seems sharp intake of breath worthy but it's obvious enough that I can't get too emotional about it.

As for scalpers, just don't use them and they will go away. That seems fairly simple education with no shouting needed. If people want to spent twice what it is worth on a 3060ti with dubious warranty, then they can go buy a 3080 for the same money as they are readily available.

[wazzickle]

At no point was I shouting nor making personal attacks. Again, one's freedom to spend their money however they want is mirrored by my freedom to point out when it's harmful to oneself and to others. If people don't like being called clever at the same time as being accused of allowing the critical thinking part of their brain to take a step back - I guess I could have gone to more effort by creating a closed compliment sandwich rather than the open one? - then that's not really my problem. People are of course always free to find and take offence or perceive anger or condescension where they please.

Maybe a better way to highlight the nature of the causal link is to think about property and homelessness. You don't need to look particularly deep or even think about it long before there you realise that there's a connection between homelessness and the tendency to leave lots of big, expensive property empty after building. Or if De Beers manipulate supply in order to keep prices high, I might have to go searching for a second-rate stone, and the guy selling second-rate stones suddenly notices that more people want his product, so he raises his prices. Just because you can't see a direct line between action and consequence doesn't mean a connection doesn't exist, in the same way that shipping 30 of your friends to Mauritius for a destination wedding may not have a direct effect, right now, on the climate in New York, and the total effect of those flights is only worth a temperature change of 0.00001 degrees in the indian ocean, so you get to pretend that because everyone else is doing it, it doesn't matter that you're doing it too. It's the tragedy of the commons and a consequence of intentionally narrowing our horizon to the point where we can just about see over our own noses and pretending that rational self-interest is somehow the same as the common good. Just because you don't buy from scalpers doesn't mean your actions aren't costing other people money and putting it in the hands of scalpers.

[DanceswithUnix]

Just because you don't buy from scalpers doesn't mean your actions aren't costing other people money and putting it in the hands of scalpers.

How?

I bought a PS5 from Game at standard retail price. How have I put money in the hands of scalpers? Other than not buy one at all, which seems defeatist at best, what could I have done better?

Buying from scalpers puts money in the hands of scalpers. Anything else is just market economics.

[kalniel]

Again, one's freedom to spend their money however they want is mirrored by my freedom to point out when it's harmful to oneself and to others.

I agree and no-one is stopping you from doing that. But once you've done that then it's done and we've read it, there's no need to repeat it or comment on someone's rationality perhaps because you don't feel you've been listened to.

Maybe a better way to highlight the nature of the causal link is to think about property and homelessness.

Again I agree - perhaps more along the lines of property building and unaffordable prices. But having expressed my opinion that I'm affected by other people's choice I also respect their right to make it. Just because it's not rational in my circumstances (and my opinion of theirs), it doesn't mean it's not rational to them and perhaps their circumstances that I don't know as much about.

This isn't just about preventing forums from becoming full of back and forth repeated arguments, it's a practical step to make sure that your and different opinions are actually listened to.

[Pob255]

wazzickle's arguments do have merit although I personally think that the repetition and content of your posts comes off as a little aggressive.

DanceswithUnix is also correct that going to buy something at rrp from a good seller is not the same as a scalper, esp if you're not the one doing the scalping.

However, having to rely on stock & price trackers, the same way/tools that many scalpers do, not a great situation to be in, it's one of the bad sides of a supply and demand economy.
And that is the point where I step back and just wait btw.

And we're all feeding the hype and mythos of the situation which is feeding back into the demand.

The gpu market atm is in a bit of a perfect storm, new cards with a good performance gain over last gen + a good rrp to performance + reduced supply is pushing both the demand and the perceived value up
Although what I'm worried about is that this is not just a storm but it is instead a bubble and if it is a bubble then how close to the top of it are we?

When the new cards came out at first I was relieved because the rrp&rrp per performance was coming down from the 20series, but then the supply&demand issues hit and I'm not just talking about the stock shortage and the price gouging but also the insane levels of hype and demand that is surrounding these cards, it started back with the initial mining craze, vega and the 900series and each new release cycle has seen hype, demand and prices raising, trying to look at it from a distance it's looking very bubble like and people are behaving that way as well.

SO the question is are we in a bubble or a storm? and how long until it breaks?

[kalniel]

SO the question is are we in a bubble or a storm? and how long until it breaks?

When supply gets sorted/demand reduces. Of those two, I think supply getting sorted is the more likely, but I'm not too sure about timelines - I would guess the fabs are now churning these out (AMD: initial console bursts done and other 7nm buyers have moved to a different node; Nvidia: early yield issues likely sorted by now) but I guess global logistics is a bit off-kilter still so other parts/boards aren't coming together as smoothly as normal. Finger in the air guess would be early spring when supply is sorted.

Demand going elsewhere I don't think is going to happen, either for 3000 founders or for AMD. It'll only dampen when enough people have new cards or there's a replacement card they want even more. Digital currencies being so high isn't helping either as it adds another customer base, but mining is probably more transient.