3080Ti but ordered the Corsair 680x as this card is freggin huge.
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3080Ti but ordered the Corsair 680x as this card is freggin huge.
True enough, but there's another factor that dampens down that cycle. The excess of demand over supply has been more or less continuous for quite a while because supply has been nearly zero. But, there is a finite number of people that are prevented from buying because, almost regardless of price, there are no new cards. And once most people that want a card get one, they are unlikely to want another one for several years. The supply of people prepared to pay excess prices drops by one every time someone succeeds. Adding to that is it's not just about who is willing to pay a given price, but about those able to. The higher the price, the fewer people in that tranche of buyers both willing and able, and being willing doesn't count if they aen't able.
For instance, for me, I need a card but there's a limit to how much I'm willing to pay that is significantly lower than what I could pay. When (and if) prices drop to my 'willing to' level, and there is stock available, I'll buy. But then, I'm no longer willing to buy another, whatever the price. When my demand is satisfied, my demand will disappear entirely, and for quite a long time.
At the moment,e seem to be in a phase where supply is slowly, in buts and ieces, coming back and as it does, demand will slowly reduce as users satisfy their need. A graphics card is not like, say, food, where demand is pretty solid and stable and auto-regenrating.
And up to a point, as demand eases and supply increases, prces will drop.
That is, of course, a implistuic analysis of supply and demand but the basic principles hold true .... unless either supply is suddnly completeky curtailed again, or for some reason, demand escalates. The latter is unlikely, certainly in the short term.
It seems more like market manipulation tactics and a purposely planned shortage so msrp is never coming back likely as the plan worked flawlessly.
Well, the Steam survey implies that at least Nvidai have sold millions of Ampere cards which are in the hands of gamers (or part-time miners who install Steam).
However, the Etherum global hashrate Dances mentioned does how millions of cards hashing away and since - in terms of efficiency - Ampere is the most popular mining GPU, millions of cards are also in miners hands.
As I keep saying, demand is crazy from both gamers and miners with both willing to pay over the odds. I suspect lots of gamers have paid extra with the logic that they can make of the excess back via mining.
As for people keeping cards for years: unsure on that one as there are so many serial constant upgraders. On another forum I was in a "is 10GB enough for the 3080" thread and even with a few recent games getting close to over the the VRAM limit, lots of posters there didn't care with "it has lasted the last year and the 4000 series will be out soon" posts. Constantly upgrading every 1-2 years is, I suspect, also one of the reasons why way back when Nvidia got into so little trouble for selling millions of parts with defective solder: this mainly happened after 3 years all the influential forum posters had already upgraded.
Don't those serial upgraders usually sell their old card on in the second hand market? So it still satisfies someone's need (though currently gives a second crack at a crypto miner ending up with it).
Years back I used to upgrade about every 18 months, but my old card would go to someone else in the family so while it wasn't just me getting use of a card it would get up to 5 years use somehow. I *could* have upgraded other people's machines as needed, but always figured upgrading mine and handing down was a perk of providing all the house IT support ;)
That's partly why I said my analysis was simplistic - it's far more granular than simple 'supply v demand' economics would suggest. But then, that is and always was why economic laws can identify basic trends, but you have to get into complex econometrics to get anywhere even close to reality.
Sure, some gamers will upgrade every year but I'd suggest that that will only be hardcore gamers, and even then, hardcore gamers with healthy bank balances. There will be another large group that have the inclination to upgrade every year (or even more frequently) but not the funds to actually do it.
There will also be those like me that do have the funds, but not the inclination. I'm currently after either a high-end gaming laptop, or the parts for a gaming PC build (or maybe, ready-built). I don't really need much more than 3060 (and maybe not even that), but I'm thinking 3080 (or Ti) because whatever I get, I don't want to be doing it again for many years. If ever.
I take the VRAM point, too. Oh, do I ever. One of my criteria ia to get a card now with sufficient VRAM to cope with most increases in game demands, for the reasonably foreseeable future, and 8GB is starting to look inadequate for that, even now. But that applies only up to a point. And once I get whatever I end up opting for (assuming I can actually get it) it will be years before I consider changing it. Which is, of course, why I'm especially nervous about VRAM now. In the next few years, whatever my card spec is will determine what games I even attempt to run. If the demands are to high, the result won't be upgrading the card, it'll be not buying the game. The other factor, of course, is restricting myself to games that I can get DRM-free, which probably drops me back a year or two from the bleeding edge of gaming, extending the card longevity even more. But that's a different thread, and an old one at that.
Anyway, the point was that 'gamers' aren't an amorphous mass easily lumped into a single demand figure, but a seriously granulated spectrum with both different motivations to buy, and abilities to indulge. Quantifying those granulations would require data I certainly don't have.
CB's second Sept 21 tracking isn't good news:
https://www.computerbase.de/2021-09/...teuer-wie-nie/
https://i.imgur.com/sxvRHTG.png
Converted into something a bit easier to read:
https://i.imgur.com/BQ7J469.png
Looks like those overpriced 6600 XT at launch were as good as it got outside of FE models (haven't looked by in theory in German they should be able AMD references models too).
November time should put up a few good deals but probably not very big savings over all.
Well, if CEX are psychic not any day soon.
Since misjuging the market and selling my 6GB 1060 last September, I've recently been watching CEX prices and for those I watched I noticed that today they've increased their prices by a +£10 pretty much across the board on anything between about £80 and £300+.
So there goes my idea of maybe doing a complex swap my of backup (and only) card for something else. Currently using an 1GB R7 260X which they'd give me £21 voucher credit for so was eyeing a 2GB 1050 which be a roughly +£70 step up. Steep for a 2GB card but a 1050 is a useful backup card anyhow.
So I can get an AMD 6600, for less than I sold by vega 56 with a small increase in performance and less power draw than my vega 56.
I just don't think I can bring myself to buy it and say the price is ok as it really isn't ok (as are the 6600xt, 3060, 3060ti prices).
While I like the idea of better efficiency, the prices are pretty poor and I'd wonder how long a 128-bit card no matter how clever the caching is will last?
The perf/watt is actually a lot better (although both CB and TPU only have a Vega64 in their results).
ComputerBase:
https://i.imgur.com/RmyFgbU.png
and TechPowerUp:
https://i.imgur.com/P7Md1bu.png
If I were to go crazy and spend big, I'd rather go all the way and get a 6800 with the full Infinity Cache and 16GB. Crazy, but I'd at least feel it has some longevity.
Ebuyer had a Powercolor RX6600 for £299.99 for 30 minutes.
30 minutes, that not bad going tbh...
No FE drops in the UK for a while, I am due away again from Friday so get ready guys as there's often drops when I'm out of the country lol..
I managed to get a 3060Ti when they launched, then sold it to a mate for £300 as I was building a PC for one of his kids, he gave me £350 for it AND ordered me a 3080FE so I managed to get the 3080FE I wanted to start with defore Scan changed the rules, and gave him the difference, its getting damned tempting to sell the 3080FE but with things how they are I could easily sell the card but then not be able to replace it, and given I'm not travelling as much now (trip out for 2 weeks from Friday and then 2 weeks just before Christmas) I'm getting a bit more time in front of the PC so makes less sense, see how much more they go up and now much more the temptation rises before all these new cards land..
My guess is that it will be years. For those paying attention to worldwide shipping problems, the Air Freight rate for HKG-US hit a new high in September at $9.74/kg. This compares for $5.26 last year and $3.44 in 2019. Inflation is here, and the first signs of the economic disaster that we were warned about last year. What do you think that will do to the Crypto market, as faith in national currencies is reduced?
both scan and ebuyer had some at £299.99, eitherway gone now and I decided not to bother as I couldn't send the message £300 for a lower midrange card is ok.
The R9 290 lives on:rockon:
I noticed there hadn't been any FE drops in a while and below is only a rumour so it take it with a pinch of salt.
https://www.aroged.com/2021/10/17/ru...o-card-prices/
The only thing I would say about that rumour is that what Nvidia really want is the max profits to them. Currently AIBs, distributors and retailers are scalping and *poor* Nvidia aren't getting that extra cash.
So while Nvidia longer-term they don't want to kill the golden gamer GPU goose, longer term is mostly alien thinking, so while obviously Nvidia want to re-engineer MSRP so that they get the majority of any extra profit, in the short term at least.
Well, maybe, but nVidia don't need to 'engineer' MSRP to do that. Arguably, it's in their interests not to. They just need to increase prices to their board partners. nVidia profits go up, board partner prices go down, and the board partners carry the heat for real-world price levels because contracts prevent them disclosing their cost price, even if commercial sensitivities didn't.
FE Drop at Scan
Best place I've seen for GPU's at the moment is ebuyer as in for stock holding
eBuyer are doing an MSRP roulette on the 3070Ti for 18 people who don't mind signing their life away to Gleam:
https://overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_...3070_ti_msrp/1
Well CEX must know something... and it's not good :(
There is no official price tracker for them (AFAIK), but I've been procrastinating swapping my very slow Radeon 260X 1GB (£21 in voucher!) for a 1050 2GB. Those have moved since I first though of it: £90, then £95 last week, and £100 just now. I'm sure others have moved too (last week a lot cards moved +£10) but that one struck me.
970 4GB (well 3.5GB) went from £145, to £150 to £160, 1060 6GB went from £245 to £255 recently. To think I sold mine for under £100 last autumn hoping to buy back in later :(
GTX 970 is now £180 on CEX. Ouch.
Memory has gone up. I bought a 16GB stick for £60 last year and now it's £75
It's worth pointing out Black Friday is soon, and some prices may be rising for that....
Shocking isn't it..
They're on the way back up again, I built a PC for a mate who had my 3060Ti for £300 (He gave me £350 as I was building the PC and ordered me a 3080FE) and they were over cash £450 on CEX, they're back up to near £700 cash again now, its madness...
If I had the 3080FE earlier in the year I'd have been tempted to get rid of it, but now I'm back at home a bit more I use the PC so no GPU wouldn't have been any fun...
Wonder what they'll give me for my 1030GT lol
I am just glad I picked up a £50 R9 290 before the madness.
It does appear Prices are on the up again, Tracking the vega 56 they are back upto £540-£575.
I am starting to think they will never reduce in price and we are stuck in an eternal miner/scalper loop. If my PC wasn't an work/editing machine and was just gaming I would jump ship to consoles.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/ct40pq.jpg
Bought a new 3060Ti arrived today on Amazon. Never thought I'd spend £749 on one of these.
Putting this one in and vertically and taking the monster out and keeping it spare.
Stock seems to have evaporated again so prices have shot up again. It's a shame about all this coin mining crap, expend energy to produce no physical product.
Well, CB have a pretty depressing headline:
https://i.imgur.com/cEbbSza.png
Roughly translated: the extremes of last May have almost been reached again.
Naturally they have graphttps://i.imgur.com/ZZVG8K4.png
And later on, a table:
https://i.imgur.com/qPOJTvg.png
I think they missed this price trend articles for a goo few months and the table seems to back that up.
Taking their table and putting it into Excel with a bit of autoformat, gets me this:
https://i.imgur.com/daE55LP.png
Crypto is nowhere near its high, so I guess Xmas was always going to be a poor time.
Hardware unboxed's latest video seems to suggest flattish prices. Not that means cheap by any stretch....
I just want something at the GTX1070/80 sort of level for a reasonable price never mind anything current gen! :(
Reasonable price being the important part.
On CEX (usually always overpriced but quick to react to price changes), a 1080 goes for £460 or so which is almost what they also sell their cheapest 6600 (non XT) for (currently £500, cheapest XT is £545). However poor value the 6600 (or the 3060) is, I'd rather get the same performance at 50W less. Plus HDMI 2.1, I guess.
Prices back through the roof and availability poor, clown World 2.0 continues.
Alas I think this is true. PC gamers have spent the past 18 months teaching GPU vendors that their market is much more price inelastic than they thought. It's not a lesson they're likely to forget.
I predict a future where there's nothing between the sub £50 "I just need more display outputs" cards that have been largely unaffected by this and the £250 price point which will be entry level gaming. Why release things cheaper than that if they'll sell at a higher price? Hell nvidia have raised the 2060 series from the dead and selling out of date tech at a markup.
If circumstances hadn't already ensured this I suspect my current GPU would have remained my last and I'd be leaning more and more towards the xbox.
The xbox does everything I want, series s, the only gripe and it I know its an outlier is no keyboard and mouse support for games I like. For example Far Cry 6. Playing an FPS on a controller needs the next level of dexterity. God knows how people manage to do it.
yeah I can't master it either. keyboard and mouse I destory people. Controller? I'm useless. Maybe with enough time I could adapt but I don't have the regular access nor time to give it. So for casual games with people I'm no use at all other than cannon-fodder.
I still regret cancelling that 3070 order back when they cocked up the delivery. I should just have given my neighbour the keys and asked him to sign for it.
According to the CEO of Nvidia, GPU shortages won't be solved until 2023. GPU stock shortages are apparently going to continue throughout next year, which is bad news for those hoping for an end to these issues soon.
Missed the 3070/3070ti founders drops a few days ago, AMD still not shipping to the UK, I might get one eventually.
i like the optimism of this thread... but sad part is that even if gpu will go back to selling for RRP that RRP will be much higher.
people showed nvidia and amd that they are willing to spend above 1000£ for gpu so thats what they will cost in the future..
I am hoping I am wrong.
I think it's important to look at the breakdown of people who were buying those cards at the inflated prices. A lot miners were happy to pay those prices becuase they knew they could make their money back. No doubt GPUs will get more expensive but most of the market buts budget cards.
Which is why AMD & Nvidia have carefully removed/changed the definition of budget cards. The ones further down are in short supply or weak for the price, the old budget cards have been moved to the £300+ price points.
I think blaming miners is a mistake, mining hasn't made sense on GPUs for at least 18 months unless you have a supply of free electricity.
Agreed..
I got my 3060Ti in December when they were released, I didn't start mining till Feb time when I started travelling with work again, what I mined on the 3060Ti paid for the 3080 and a monitor upgrade, plus most of the other upgrades I've done in the last I also had made enough that I was comfortable selling the 3060Ti to a mate for £300..
Yeah prices have dropped but even now, after electricity my 3080FE is still clearing £100 a month, and if/when BTC goes up, well, what I have mined now, and been paid in BTC for, will also go up...
If you dont have the time and knowledge to go down a separate pool route and mine specific coins on the chance that they'll go up, Nicehash is the easiest way, you basically rent out your GPU to mine whatever people pay for on Nicehash and then get paid in BTC.
I've got my RAM running at +1050Mhz and sat at 98oC and its been fine since the middle of the year mining pretty much 24/7.
There's room for improvement on the memory junction temperature. Have you considered replacing the thermal pads? My 3090's RAM temp would hit the 110 degree limiter whilst hashing, and it would stay there until I dropped the hashrate to around 95MH/s; and even then it would only bring the temp down to 104 degrees.
After swapping out for some 12.8w/mk thermal pads, it hash at 120+ MH/s with the memory temp at 84-86 degrees.
I know there RAM chip layout differs between the 3080 and 3090, and the 3090 has chips on the rear of the PCB, but the stock pads are total frikkin garbage - from what I can gather, the stock pads are rated between 3 and 6 w/mk. I am assuming yours is an FE model, but even AIB cards benefit from better pads.
Yeah did the pad mod a month or so into owning the card, temps were 104oC before I did.
I've also moved from an mATX case to an iTX case, so I'm happy with 98oC as that's the same as I got in the mATX case after the pad swap, so to get the same in the iTX case works for me :)
Nearly a year later I would say not at this rate for a while as people excuse make for higher GPU pricing because they can mine,and have loads of spare computers so they can do other stuff(not like they are really gaming on them if there is 24/7 mining). So basically you save up to get a new GPU(especially the expensive ones which are good at mining),but then to make it affordable you need to tend piss around with to make it affordable.
It's almost like someone saying their cocaine habit is affordable,and then reselling some of their stash for a profit. Most normal PC gamers I know,who just after spending all day working just want to have their PC do play a game,etc have just given up.
If they are working from home on that PC,are they really going to mine? Or maybe a family member needs to use that PC for something(or their kid wants to use it for example). Known many who decided to either get a console,or if they did manage to upgrade at some point have longterm decided that if the market stays like this for the next few years,these will be the last gaming PCs they own/build. All the dorks on forums think its all business as usual,whilst enriching greedy companies who have literally destroyed the mainstream and entry level markets. Its like some weird Stockholm Syndrome.
Rubbish like the 6500XT is most definitely not the case of a normal market.
Because of the idiot gamers,miners,etc who excuse make for higher pricing especially scalpers pricing,channels like MLID have pointed out Nvidia is now quietly trying to remove RRPs from newer releases. I wonder how long before FE models won't happen,to even have the illusion of an RRP. No RRP.....let that sink in for a while.....even Apple has RRPs. Nvidia/AMD have now decided their RRPs were too low because gamers can now "mine" and get rich quickly.
AMD in reality has done this as their RRP reference models are barely available. It's another hobby which has been destroyed by scalpers and "investors" so the reality for most normal folk its better to not bother. I will see how the next three years go because after that point I might need to upgrade,and if its more of this excuse making of having to mine to make things affordable,out I go out of PC building,etc. Will just get a laptop and play Indie games and that is that.
I can see lots of my mates going that way too(if they haven't already done it). My PC tech spend will actually go down and I can see that with lots of mates,who have slowly gotten fedup with all of this and slowly doing the same. Their spare money is going towards other areas now. People have got better things to do than pay extortionate amounts for a sodding GPU which already has a decently high RRP,overpriced motherboards,etc then have to eff around with PCs to "make it affordable". It's like saying you can make your car more affordable by renting it out as a hire car to random strangers. Just because you have a spare room in your home,does not mean you have to rent it out to make your mortgage "lower".
Unless Intel really tries to rock the boat,the next generation is not going to be priced well and it will have zero to do with any material costs. Miners/enthusiasts have told these companies their RRPs were too low,and that RRPs are pointless. People excuse made with the £1000 Titan dGPUs when the best dGPUs used to be under £600,and we saw where that went. Now its 100x worse.
In the end better to just try and get a console(something like an XBox Series S) or use your phone and just play on that. This is shown by the fact that over half of modern gaming revenue(I believe its about 75%) is outside PC,and most won't be on forums talking about it either.
It makes me wonder with the world trying to move towards normality with the pandemic(instead of repeated lockdowns,etc where people are stuck at home),whether in a few years things will not look that great. Nvidia/AMD have taken advantage of a situation where loads had to upgrade PCs because of WFH and lockdowns,but now we are moving away from this slowly as the global economy needs to start re-opening,and people want to start going out more,etc. I certainly will be pushing more and more of my spare budget towards other things now.
It was a great run for 20 years,but it is what it is.
But by then Nvidia/AMD will have backed themselves into a corner WRT with GPU prices,and their own investors won't respond well with prices being pushed downwards. So they might just do an Apple and target lower sales,but at much higher margins.
They've been doing this for years now, it's the way things have to head when PC ownership is no longer mainstream, like it used to be.
I agree this generation has stalled because of external-to-gaming factors - not just mining (and scalpers/miners are not idiots, they're just not necessarily gamers). And the way we fogeys play might also have to take a backseat eventually. But PC gaming will come back - you just have to look how the new generation are gaming to be assured of that. Anecdotally they aren't interested in consoles, but it's all PC - custom minecraft, roblox etc. I just helped a 12 year old build a PC for their Christmas present, and they're not a nerd by any stretch of the imagination, it's seriously what they and all their friends do for gaming these days.
At work our product relies on an Intel (Altera) FPGA. Everyone is on allocation, so we were told we would probably not get all the parts we ordered. Sure enough they reduced our drop... to zero. Lead time on component orders is well over a year.
Given Intel can't full-fill existing orders, I'm really not expecting them to rock the boat for another 2 years. If they do, then that might be why you can't buy your (insert random product name here) atm.
The issue is we on forums tend to surround ourselves with people/families who are PC centric. Outside those who PC enthusiasts,most gamers I know who are not techy,don't have mates are techie,etc and their families tend to play on phones and consoles. Most of the non-techy PC gamers I know play games which can run on integrated graphics and the low power dGPUs in laptops. Even amongst my mates,many of which are techy types,work in science and the computing area,etc most of their families and friends use laptops and tablets. Many of them too are shifting away from desktops to laptops too. Even their work is the same.Desktops increasingly are in a minority and newish desktops even more so in my group of realworld contacts,and cost and convenience are the two main factors.
This is matched by the fact that most gaming revenue is not from PC.....but from phone and console games. Also the fact the PC games with the best revenue are ones which seem to be made to run on toasters but also means that consoles/game streaming/smartphone/tablets are increasingly getting ports of them. Even Blizzard is now targeting mobile - one of the biggest gaming companies in terms of revenue is Tencent,who are mostly in that space.
The reality I don't think things are going to rebound in the way people think - sadly miners/PC gamers have basically shown the mainstream market was "too cheap" and as time progresses the sub £400 market will cease to be having any decent products at the current trajectory. I warned people years ago about the £1000 Titans,and the market never recovered when gamers accepted the doubling of dGPU prices within a generation. The market is full of whales now - seriously the RRPs are bad enough,but paying £300 for a £200 dGPU?? 2X or 3X RRP?? The RRPs already take into consideration price fluctuations.
Nvidia now is apparently removing RRPs - I have never seen this happen before in other electronics markets?
Why because the mining whales and gamer whales just borrowed/found every single penny they could find and throws it at stuff. How many of these lot have eaten into savings or taken credit out to buy all this stuff??
Enthusiasts and gamers mock Apple fans,but not even Apple fans do that! I simply don't want to be part of this nonsense anymore because of the whales,and sadly more and more of my techy mates are also increasingly agreeing with this.
I see this with people keeping their dGPUs longer and longer,meaning the main advantage the PC desktop platform has(which is processing power) is broken. So for many a console is a massive upgrade in performance.
Consoles already are starting to accept modding,and once there is better support for keyboard and mouse,there is really no advantage for a gaming desktop/laptop anymore for a lot of normal people. This is where MS is going. Then you have things like game streaming and I know people who can't find or couldn't afford the idiot money for a new dGPU start using those services. A new console is not only cheaper,but can plug into the TV they already have,and takes up less space in their home. A laptop can be placed anywhere,etc.
If people think its bad here - think of PC gamers in poorer parts of the world including mates I know elsewhere. The dGPU price increases have been devastating. A £120~£150 class dGPU selling for nearly £300(RX6500XT)might be an annoyance here,but in many countries £150 extra is a massive amount. I know people who when their dGPUs went kaput literally stopped PC gaming as they couldn't find a dGPU. For example look at the Lowspecgamer's channel - he talks about how this is really starting to cause problems in emerging PC markets elsewhere.
I know mates who decent salaries,look at the modern gaming PC market and decided its not worth and just got a PS5/XBox and be done with it. Even a scalped console is cheaper than a brand new mainstream level dGPU which is even as fast as the console! Then you need to add on top all the other parts.
Its not even about whether you can afford it,but the fact that there are so many things people can spend their money on. If anything outside a few hardcore gamer/enthusiast mates I am literally seeing most people around me move away from PC gaming. I am not going to take my non-essential budget and put more of it towards a PC,when those hobbies are more interesting to me and probably are healthier too. I would rather go somewhere nice then spend £100s extra on a piece of overpriced PC electronics,with a finite lifespan.
Once things start moving back to normal,and people can travel more,etc I do honestly think people will rather do that,and we might find many who upgrade now will have simply pushed forward purchases because they had 5~10 year old PCs which needed replacement because they were stuck at home.
Plus for me I will see how this goes. Unless I end up with some financial windfall,etc and this nonsense market stays the same way in the next 3 years,I am done with this all. If people want to literally play the speculative market with dGPUs and CPUs,and get into debt paying idiotic prices for things then they can have it.
I will either get a console or use game streaming for cutting edge games,and use a laptop/old desktop for the older stuff which shouldn't need decent specs. That means less money spent on PCs,and more money diverted to other hobbies. AMD/Intel/Nvidia can go suck on one and target the whales/mugs who don't know any better.
I just feel lucky it seems I entered the hobby during its best days,and 20+ years is a good run I suppose!
Personally my PC is a work machine in photography/videography to which its always been a case of getting a better gpu than needed to turn it into a gaming machine too.
As an occasional gamer with a backlog of older games stepping down to a R9 290 hasn't been to bad and for work it has just meant running my second monitor at 30hz which hasn't been an issue.
But if I was only a gamer I would probably just shift back to console as its where my gaming started (last console bought is a 360).
It does appear we may be going to low sales high price model on GPUs which is so I will just keep running the minimum needed for work and when I eventually need more power for gaming get a console again, it would be a shame to kill the PC gaming industry but I don't think manufacturers of other components will be happy with the slowdown of sales in the long term.
It was the same reason why I got into building my own PCs. I have a deep interest in photography even going back nearly 20 years when I was doing my own negative scanning using a PC,but also wanted something compact. So it was the case of a building a portable SFF system,and then simply adding a decentish dGPU made it viable as a gaming system. I was a big Shuttle XPC fan.
However,increasingly laptops can do all of what I want,and stuff like what Apple is coming out with,despite the hype,would fill my non-gaming needs very well. What happens if the street price of the RTX4060/RX7600XT becomes £500+ then it doesn't make the upgrade path viable,especially as CPU prices are going up too. Sure you can sell what you have now,but its becoming a bit like speculating on the housing market.
I was going to say, the next gen AMD APUs having twice the GPU power of the current range does muddy the GPU market a tad at the lower end, so at least a basic gaming rig might be possible. Looking around for a cheap laptop for one of the kids, there seem to be plenty of 5000 series chips out there atm. I can get a 5300U based laptop for £330 (albeit it would need an SSD and RAM upgrade to be capable of more than Minecraft).
But then I see that Activision Blizzard becoming part of the Microsoft empire today... WoW on an XBox? I don't know if that is a strike for or against PC gaming, but $70B for a games company seems significant
It is what I am thinking WRT to laptops if stuff keeps being a bit mental,but yeah MS buying Blizzard is signficant. Think of WoW as a subscription based streaming service?? As I said in another thread,even if AMD/Intel/Nvidia provide the console hardware and streaming hardware,MS and other huge companies will push prices as low as possible.Also with Apple showing it can make a decent CPU and GPU,even companies such as MS might also think of doing the same if AMD/Intel/Nvidia want to jack up pricing. Needing millions of dGPUs and not having to bother about the direct client side is a big incentive for newer players.
On black Friday i got a laptop with a Ryzen 7 5700U, 8gb 3200mhz RAM (I spent £23 buying a 2nd DIMM so it's now 16gb dual channel,) and a 500gb NVME ssd for £500.
The GPU part of the chip is surprisingly capable for gaming.
I'm just looking to upgrade my surface pro 4 because the already abysmal battery life has now fallen off a cliff and due to the design its not something that can easily be replaced. A ryzen 6600u with RDNA 2 graphics would be a massive upgrade for me and hopefully there's some good value SKUs released.
Oh they won't be cheap, but right now a 5700G is only about £20 more than a 5600X which makes for an interesting choice. The 5600X is a better gaming CPU, but you can have two more cores and a GPU thrown in for £20.
The 5600G is down to £220, a price that would possibly get you a 3200G not long ago.
If you are building a kid's first gaming rig for minecraft etc then £220 for CPU and GPU in the current market seems pretty good. Compared to a couple of years ago when you could get an RX570 for £130 it sucks, but that isn't where we are these days :(
Edit: OTOH, currently the Ethereum price is crashing while the total network rate is going up causing the network difficulty to be an all time high. Given how energy prices are going in this country, fingers crossed eth mining on GPUs is about to die off at least here. It is supposed to be dying off in the summer anyway, not that you can believe the eth2.0 schedule.
I think we've passed the point where mining matters to GPU prices. The market has taught AMD/Nvidia that they could sell out at much higher prices even to those using them for games, so they'll reduce volume and increase prices to keep it that way longer term.
I spent £1500 on my PC (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/vRM48r) which is already dated thanks to alder lake... but anyway I was lucky enough to get a GPU for 'MSRP' but even then I had to take out a line of credit. Had I bought my 3070 for what they were going for I'm not sure I could have afforded it even with credit as the payments would have been too much. I upgraded from a 4690k and a 760 gtx.
It is a pretty depressing time to be alive, never mind a gamer. Rising inflation, COVID, rental prices, and now people can't even get a graphics card to relax and unwind.
Here's to the great correction, may it come soon....
Well, the Crypto part of the problem might be over soon:
https://i.imgur.com/1a46tLn.png
It's not the only or sole reason for high prices but it is a major excuse. Now if only "I'm worth it" gamers had a bit of patience and stopped buying for a while, then prices would come way down. Not back to where they were as that's unlikely as some costs genuinely have gone up - but usually more like 10-20% not 200% - but with a dropoff in demand, prices would have to fall back to MSRP to shift stuff.
May try for an RTX 3050, it may initially release at msrp, it would be an upgrade from my R9 290 but also I guess will be around the performance of my Vega56 I sold for £475.
I guess there won't be a founders edition but will hopefully follow the 6500xt pricing.
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-g...-before-launch
Reviews can come out before!
Quote:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 reviews will be posted on January 26th at 6 AM PDT, exactly 24 hours before the card officially goes on sale.
Just having a look at announced versions, seems they all have at least 2 dp ports and 1 hdmi (usually 3 dp and 1 hdmi or 2 of each) which I need for my setup, another failing of the 6500xt.
As a long term ATI/AMD graphics user I do feel odd that I am looking at nvidia as my only choice.
There's a video up on Youtube comparing the 1660Ti to the 3050 (unsure if it's legit) but the two cards really do trade blows, its a few fps in either direction in pretty much all games.
1660Tis are selling for ~ £300 on eBay so if the 3050 comes out in the low/mid £200s that's not bad! (relatively)
Reviews should drop around 2pm I think
So..
2060 KO is better
The 2060 Super is about the same
If you have a 980Ti/1070 or above don't bother
I'm very interested to see DLSS results
Well that was awful, Scan was down, few places didn't even have any and eBuyer let me put one @ £239.99 into my basket then emptied it, OCUK didnt have any below £300 (that I could see)
Yep, attempting get anything at Scan was a joke.
Looped captcha challenges then frozen out for 20 minutes. Once it cleared, there was nothing to see.
Surprised scan don't have the queue it system, it would put us in at least a queue to connect, may still be unsuccessful but at least it would be less random than refreshing at the correct millisecond.
Is this for the 3050? Just went to scan and 2 different ones available at time of writing
MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 GAMING X 8GB Ampere Graphics Card - £369.98
Palit NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 8GB StormX Ampere Graphics Card - £239.99
ZOTAC NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 8GB TWIN EDGE OC Ampere Graphics Card - £299.99
All in stock while writing that and now all out of stock
already one listed on ebay :censored:
Maybe a glitch but out of stock items don't show the prices. All had add to basket next to them
Scalpers, the reason we can't have nice things. I very much doubt miners are after these.
I might send all the ebay listing accepting offers and £239.99 offer in the notes ass the message 'its not too late to save your soul', none will accept.
I managed to bag one of the Palit ones for £239.99, free delivery, we did have a chuckle at the guy scalping his and leaving his order details on there, needless to say, he and others that OCUK identified, won't be getting cards, same with those that ordered one of every card, won't get any..
Lucky you, shame Scan don't come around these parts any more and do something similar for the members :(
I\'m just bitter....
Out of interest what happened to order queues, back in the day I would put a pre-order for things and if early enough it went out first shipment if not they went out second, third etc.
Now surely if they did that now we would all have more chance and also there would be more time to identify bots/scalpers.
So back to plan A for me, keep an eye out for 3060/3060ti/3070 founders cards.
I will say tracking the 6600/6600xt they seem to be slowly coming down in price at retailers, I don't mind paying a little of rrp with a retailer as I still get a warranty etc, I will only buy from a scalper if significantly below rrp.
I am also not against getting another vega 56 or 64 if the price is right as they may be one of the first kicked out of mining rigs as etherium tanks.
Hey just make sure you have the alerts setup for FE drops on scan and your payment info saved, might not seem like it but it'll help. I really wish everyone looking for a GPU gets them :)
How do you set that up? Can't see anything in their site?
It's not on their site, you need to get on Discord/Telegram etc for the alerts, they then link to the nvidia page when they have stock or directly to the item itself on the Scan website, I managed to get my 3060Ti-FE when they launched in December 20' and then a friend managed to get me a 3080FE mid last year.