Predictions on when GPUs will be back at RRP.

So I current have a Vega56 which I bought used for £205 in October 2019

They are now selling for £410-£520 for my model so I am thinking of selling.

I do have an R9 290 spare (blower cooler :surprised:) which I can use.

My pc is mostly for work (photography/videography) with 2 UHD monitors, looking at the outputs will have to use HDMI for one monitor so I guess I would be limited to 30hz (not a huge problem as its used for previews etc. Of course there would be a drop in gaming performance.

So my plan sell, use 290, buy newer card with sale money when I can and have a nice upgrade (5700xt/6700xt hopefully).

Its just how long will I be running at a reduced spec for? is this a sensible plan? will prices ever come back down?

When the current mining boom ends??

I got my 1070 over 3 years ago... and I was looking at the price recently. It was still high back then.
@CAT-THE-FIFTH is correct. As long as demand outstrips supply, they'll stay high for the foreseeable future.

I think it's more substrate availability than miners - even dumb chips for cars are affected at the moment. So I think covid recovery + time for things to get back up to speed and prices return to RRP. Jan 2022 probably.

The OP wasn't talking so much about availability but prices. Lots of other computing parts are also affected by production problems,but pricing hasn't shot up anywhere as much. The RRPs AMD and Nvidia would have taken into consideration the issues to some degree.Even AMD who is using a lot of its 7NM wafers for consoles. The current pricing issues are exclusively down to miners,because they are willing to spend upto 2 times the RRP for GPUs,sometimes more.

For example early last year,Covid and many people needing to buy new PCs, caused all sorts of shortages and GPU and CPU prices did go up,but nowhere as much as compared to now. This is with China and Taiwan essentially shutting down for months.

We are seeing exactly the same GP shortages we saw in 2017/2018 and even years before when miners got involved. The same excessive increases in GPU pricing. For example even an RX470 4GB would sell for nearly £300 in the last mining boom,and RX480 GPUs for well over £300.

There was no shortages or production problems back then,but exactly the same behaviour is seen. These guys are now buying up gaming laptops to mine on!

If there was no miners willing to spend so much money,and bulk order GPUs and laptops directly from companies,there would be much more retail supply and more importantly much closer to RRPs. Remember,in the scheme of things retail GPU sales are probably not the bulk of all GPU sales I suspect,and prebuilt systems have more of them.

The GPUs are being priced for miners who want to buy at that price,and the few very desperate gamers.

You can see this as prebuilt PCs and laptops from companies such as Dell don't seem to have anywhere as much of an issue with dGPUs,because these are sold to them at certain prices in bulk order contracts. Hence it makes more sense to buy a prebuilt desktop or gaming laptop now,if you want to do a full system upgrade.

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An example - my mate got their AIB RTX3060 for £420ish,just as mining was taking off which was £20 more than the RRP. This was a few days before Christmas.

Miners now will pay upto £1000 for an RTX3060TI.

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

When the current mining boom ends??

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There a few factors here. We tend to only thing of crypto prices, but as more people rush in (in a gold rush, is selling pickaxes the best path to success?) then the difficulty goes up. Some (most?) coins also taper off the rewards so each block gets smaller.
Point being, even if prices don't collapse again soon (but long term I am sure they will), the increased difficulty will make mining less profitable.
This is an ETH difficulty chart:
https://i.imgur.com/QrQzmbE.png
And this is the network total hash rate:
https://i.imgur.com/E9aALHC.png
So the millions of new GPUs (and old GPUs which previously weren't mining) have basically made everything more difficult.
The third chart would be the prices, but long before the crash the increased difficulty will make it unprofitable at least for anyone who has to pay for power (or isn't using the heat to heat their house in winter but the northern hemisphere's winter is finished).

Not that I'm willing to offer any prediction!

I suppose its what are the odds of getting one against the scalpers and miners as cards are being made and having £450 to play with will get something better than my vega56 eventually.

Funnily enough I built a PC for someone the end of last year and got a new 5600xt for £205.

Even the RX580s are £200+ right now.

Installed the R9 290 to test and seems I have to down clock the memory to keep it stable which is worrying. Looking wider I could get an NVS 510 for around £30 which will keep my displays going for work.

They won't ever be back at RRP.
The RRP might go up, to make the situation seem more normal, but prices won't go down and especially not when everyone is still comparatively penniless.

If I were you I'd secure myself a new card before selling. There's no guarantee the prices will ever come down. At least that's what I did.

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Not that I'm willing to offer any prediction!

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Well, quite, I don't think logic has ever had anything to do with cryptocurrency. People seem to be throwing huge amounts of money at this, with comments that they think they can get 70% of their money back if they need to sell their rig.

The headline of what one Eth is worth is still around the top of the spike a couple of years ago, and it took seemingly forever for cards to come back into circulation when that spike ended.

Well I am doing it, got the 290 working fully and its actually a decent card when completely unrestricted.

Testing gaming and had acceptable levels of turning settings down (to be expected)
Tested productivity, all seems fine seems my 3700x is taking up a bit more slack as such second monitor at 30htz isn't a huge issue.

Seems my Vega56 is on the higher end of the value brackets due to Samsung HBM2 and I have just got it in on a £1 final total fee on ebay.

So I am going with a reasonable gamble that in the next 12 months I will be able to get a better or newer equivalent card for £450-£500.

Interestingly I don't appear to have paid for a graphics card since my 290x

Bought a 290x for £189.99 and sold it later for £220.00 due to miners, got an rx580 for £210, sold it for £230 due to miners, got the the Vega56 for £205, now selling due to miners. No huge profits along the the way but to say in each case I have used the card for years and then got all my money back I am not doing too badly.

Will have to look into bots, if I can snag a 6700 or 6700xt within budget all will be good, is it wrong to use bots if you actually want to keep the item?

That's quite a price. It is only a few weeks ago I threw away the original packaging for my Vega 56 which I found cluttering up the garage, am starting to wonder if I did the right thing there :)

12 months for lesser cards (from a Miner view) say 3060 and 3070, 18-24 months for 306ti and 3080s....

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Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix

That's quite a price. It is only a few weeks ago I threw away the original packaging for my Vega 56 which I found cluttering up the garage, am starting to wonder if I did the right thing there :)

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I have a Vega 64 and am wondering if I should swap out to a 3060 card

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That's quite a price. It is only a few weeks ago I threw away the original packaging for my Vega 56 which I found cluttering up the garage, am starting to wonder if I did the right thing there :)

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With the current crazy, even a perfectly described box for a graphic might attract crazy bids although I suspect they tend to end up in ebay disputes afterwards.

Wonder if I should sell my 1GB 260X, might actually get something for it and the onboard HD4000 isn't that much slower...

Interesting what AMD are saying about the 6700xt and stock and distribution, definitely worth a shot.

Already got an offer on my listing of £475.00

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Originally Posted by kompukare

With the current crazy, even a perfectly described box for a graphic might attract crazy bids although I suspect they tend to end up in ebay disputes afterwards.

Wonder if I should sell my 1GB 260X, might actually get something for it and the onboard HD4000 isn't that much slower...

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lol, was actually intending to include the graphics card in the box, but perhaps I'm just too honest :)

Just thought in the original packaging it might be able to sell for more. But I'll probably just keep hold of it.

Vega 56 sold, got just over £475 after fees and postage.

Now how long it takes to get a replacement... watching the 6700xt launch very closely.

I was curious to see what my Gigabyte model is going for, and just yesterday one apparently sold for £510 + £6 P&P - and that was on a Buy It Now.

While interesting (yet still crazy), and it certainly offering a nice profit over the £320 (including faster postage) that I originally paid around Black Friday 2018, I have no intention of selling mine.

Seems the trend is upwards across all models, mine is the highest selling powercolor red dragon.

Seems an air boost went for £525 on the 28th feb.

Much like the crypto spikes selling a gpu to them is about timing, by all means I may have got £50 more next week or I could have got £50
less next week, getting a £1 final listing fee promotion helped as the final total would fees would be £50+ normally.

It seems Ethereum value is on the up again as is the difficulty, where is ends who knows.

In my case having an R9 290 to put in helped as it isn't a slouch but to buy even on of those now is ridiculous as they are going for £110+.

I'm still thinking about selling on my 1080Ti as the prices are fairly high. I gave it to the wife but i'm not sure she needs it :)

I bought a Vega 64 new for 280gbp in 2019, just sold it for 425 and rolled that into a 3060 card...strange market this

Personally, I think it will improve as the availability of GDDR6 RAM improves, but ofc only for the cards that use it (RTX 3070, RTX 3060 TI, Radeon 6000 series etc)

So, probably in a few more months. AMD said there would be availability problems until later on in 2021.

Otherwise, GPUs like the RTX 3080/3090 are gonna be really tough to buy (at RRP) for the whole year I think.

Well my plan for a 6700xt didn't work, one can't get one, two don't want one at that price.

Seems the market as with the the 6700xt and MSI generally doing the same, whatever price they stick on them they will sell so why not charge more and make more money (I don't blame them).

Interestingly it seems if I held onto my vega56 they have gone up £35-50 on average since I sold (not personally bothered as the £1 ebay fee compared to £50-£60 t would normally be).

I am watching with interest as I know the bubble with burst and I sold before it burst, but how much more will it inflate?

In other news I am reasonably happy with my R9 290, happy I figured what was faulty with it (the reason I never sold it), seems the card sags and the graphics corrupt, one empty can of monster propping it up and all is good with the world. I am considering getting an after market cooler for it as the stock reference blower isn't great and it appears it may be staying for a while.

Prices might go up and come down here and there but ultimately graphical processing power is now it's own separate coin tied somewhat to the value of eth and bitcoin.

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Originally Posted by wazzickle

Prices might go up and come down here and there but ultimately graphical processing power is now it's own separate coin tied somewhat to the value of eth and bitcoin.

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Has bitcoin got anything to do with it now? I would say eth and other alt coins, I guess the value of bitcoin is the driver but surely nobody is mining bitcoin on gpus now?

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Originally Posted by Percy1983

Has bitcoin got anything to do with it now? I would say eth and other alt coins, I guess the value of bitcoin is the driver but surely nobody is mining bitcoin on gpus now?

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If bitcoin goes up, they all go up. Even the joke Dogecoin. There isn't a firm reason for it, people just seem to mentally lump all crypto together and apply "buy" and "sell" sentiments across the board. Quants constantly moving money from one currency to another probably has some tying effect.

I wouldn't think too hard about it though, cryptocurrency seems more like a religion than a payment system at this point. Just substitute eternally waiting for Eth2.0 for waiting for your reward in heaven, and where you expect to talk about free will in relation to evil just slap in decentralisation. People who do not believe the power of ERC20 must be converted. But hey, a religion where the zealots can get rich quick will have some pull. Have you heard the good news? With crypto we are making the world a better place! Mark my words, they'll be knocking on the bloody door next :D

Still no RTX-30xx cards for sale. Price gouging/scraping how long can it take Nvidia to sort the supply issue out? Can't even find any RTX-20xx for sale.

AMD 6700/6800 just as bad.

Around July there will be major changes to how Ethereum rewards miners, and rewards will fall. Expect at least some graphics cards to hit the second hand market then at better prices, perhaps approaching MSRP soon as the mining return could up to halve depending on how the crypto market is in July (no guesses here).

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Originally Posted by Millennium

Around July there will be major changes to how Ethereum rewards miners, and rewards will fall. Expect at least some graphics cards to hit the second hand market then at better prices, perhaps approaching MSRP soon as the mining return could up to halve depending on how the crypto market is in July (no guesses here).

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Or like when Bitcoin went ASIC they could just switch to something else. Raven seems quite trendy atm.

It does seem there is bubbles which effect.

Sold my 290x(s) in a mining boom
Sold my RX580 in a mining boom
Sold my Vega 56 in a mining boom

In each case I got a card at retail outside the boom or preordering on amazon etc.

I will say this boom does seem bigger, with the 290x and RX580 I basically used for years and then sold for £20-£40 more (even breaking even after years is good), but the vega56 is over twice what I paid for it.

Interestingly I occasionally spec/build Pcs for people I the last one I did was mid November 2020 and I put a new 5600xt in the for £235, with hindsight I should have bought 10 of them.

I feel so silly for selling my Vega 56 for "only" 250 in early Feb. Seeing reports here of returns of almost double that. Paid 380 UKP for it on release.
But, if I never sold it, I wouldn't have got my new GPU as I wouldn't have been so motivated to watch the release tweets.

I doubt the price will be back to normal this year, I think it will keep going for next few years

This is a bit like reading tealeaves but this boom crypto boom has been going string for a while now, I think by the autumn we will have had another bust so maybe some good black Friday deals.

I doubt they will ever return to MSRP. Even the 20 series launch cards went much smoothly, and after a few months, their prices for AIBs were always 10-20% above initial launch price

I don't think prices will be back to "normal" for a while if ever for this generation. In the previous crypto boom there wasn't an unprecedented silicon shottage as well as a pandemic causing shipping times and prices to skyrocket.

I honestly think they will be back at RRP by early next year. By then ETH will have gone proof of stake and enough gamers will have bought cards to reduce demand.

Well it seems the 6700xt is now available to buy at retailers, just the price gouging to drop now.

March 2022

Whenever the RRPs are inflated to match demand. Do probably the launch of the geforce 4000 series and rx7000 series.

Well as they aren't all selling out it would seem the demand isn't there at those prices.

By definition if they come back to msrp I would have swapped a vega 56 for a 6700xt for free or very little cost.

Still my R9 290 is doing fine so no rush.

When miners eff off it will improve. But as Nvidia showed with Turing after the last mining craze,it could mean the newer GPU SKUs are prescalped.

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

When miners eff off it will improve. But as Nvidia showed with Turing after the last mining craze,it could mean the newer GPU SKUs are prescalped.

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They'll shoot themselves in the foot if so and end up with unsold stock.

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Originally Posted by kalniel

They'll shoot themselves in the foot if so and end up with unsold stock.

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I hope so,but I can't say if any degree of commonsense exists in the market anymore. Its a good thing I still like playing older games TBF!

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Originally Posted by kalniel

They'll shoot themselves in the foot if so and end up with unsold stock.

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While we would think so, what the GPU shortage (and console shortage etc.) has shown is that there are plenty of people willing to pay scalpers just was previously there was plenty willing to pay inflated prices for Titans "because they are worth it"?

Since millions of gamers have managed to get their hands on 3000 GPUs (from the Steam survey, plus the JPR story) and millions have been able to console, that the shortages are not just due to mining. Having said that, there's ETH network hashrate chart thing
https://2miners.com/eth-network-hashrate
And since Sept it has gone from 220,000,000 MH/s to 560,000,000 MH/s. Since a 3060Ti does about 60ish, that's currently equiv. to almost 10 million 3060Ti, or the increase since Sept is about equiv. to 6 million 3060Ti GPUs.

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Originally Posted by kompukare

While we would think so, what the GPU shortage (and console shortage etc.) has shown is that there are plenty of people willing to pay scalpers just was previously there was plenty willing to pay inflated prices for Titans "because they are worth it"?

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Well mostly instead because there's a shortage compared to demand. My comment was talking about a post-shortage situation like last time. But I see what you mean - yes, if nVidia decide to massively increase prices then I'm sure there will still be a few people who buy them, I just don't think the majority will.

Slowly seeing stock appear, I still think a big reason is miners who have inflated value on their coins are happy to keep paying over the odds/scalpers. Starting to see complaints about the lower hash rates on new GPUs from Nvidia, whether or not they'll be an easy bios fix remains to be seen.

I think what's frustrating is I've seen around 100 cards (also including 1650/1660 super) in the last 3 weeks from Currys/Ebuyer mostly go to scalpers, frustrating.

What's 6700xt rrp? I keep seeing no one buying them when they are priced at 650-750.

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Slowly seeing stock appear, I still think a big reason is miners who have inflated value on their coins are happy to keep paying over the odds/scalpers. Starting to see complaints about the lower hash rates on new GPUs from Nvidia, whether or not they'll be an easy bios fix remains to be seen.

I think what's frustrating is I've seen around 100 cards (also including 1650/1660 super) in the last 3 weeks from Currys/Ebuyer mostly go to scalpers, frustrating.

What's 6700xt rrp? I keep seeing no one buying them when they are priced at 650-750.

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IIRC it was meant to be £420 for the RX6700XT. You can get hold of the GTX1650 GDDR6 now from a few retailers from £210 onwards.

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

IIRC it was meant to be £420 for the RX6700XT. You can get hold of the GTX1650 GDDR6 now from a few retailers from £210 onwards.

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I am happy to pay around £450 or a little more depending on the model.

Seems they still aren't telling at the £750-800, many retailers now showing stock.

Isn't the 6700xt not the best for mining due to the design ie the 5700xt is better? this may be helping things.

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I am happy to pay around £450 or a little more depending on the model.

Seems they still aren't telling at the £750-800, many retailers now showing stock.

Isn't the 6700xt not the best for mining due to the design ie the 5700xt is better? this may be helping things.

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I hope but AMD has much less supply than Nvidia,and don't even seem to care about pretending to have GPUs at RRP. At least with the FE you have a small chance of getting one that way!

True, I would get a reference 6700xt but AMD don't deem the UK worthy of shipment.

hoping that they come back in stock and a good price soon i really need one

still got a 980ti lol from 6 years ago

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True, I would get a reference 6700xt but AMD don't deem the UK worthy of shipment.

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I concur, It does feel like AMD has abandoned the UK market to be honest. I have never seen any of their GPU's in stock on their UK store and trying to get hold of a 6800XT from anywhere is nigh on impossible, I have been looking since launch. I signed up for some alerts, which triggered once, but the pricing was double RRP.

I appreciate there is a component shortage, but it is getting frustrating.

Interestingly the longer this is going on the more I am finding how good the R9 290 is, a game I was playing at 4k very high is now at 1440p high and I will be honest and say I cant tell the difference. I will say the graphics is allowed to run at 100% utilisation in my current system which certainly helps.

As it is the 290 is borrowed from a second editing pc (which now has a 7750) which could do with its 290 back eventually but the urgency certainly isn't there so I am happy to wait this out as long as needed.

Speaking of - does anyone have the UK RRP of the 6000-series AMD cards lying around? I know they're not where things are, but it'd be nice to have a bar to compare prices to.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/9TQlKN.jpg

They have so much cheek on facebook marketplace they even call themselves GPU merchants. This guy hires out a self storage room just for these GPU's

Seems stock is returning and scalper prices are coming back down. AWD-IT are now showing 6700xts at less than £700, seems the retailer prices coming down is slowly happening.

I might just get another vega 56 (or 64) if they drop hard enough as I was happy enough with mine before selling it to a miner so could make a profit while standing still.

Yeah stock seems to be reappearing, albeit at high prices but staying available unlike a couple of months ago, if this continues I think prices will have to start coming down a little to move stock.

It's still utterly pathetic out there though. Ludicrously expensive unobtainium. I think you can safely write 2021 off, if you want to buy a GPU at or near RRP.

The 1660 Ti I bought second hand last summer for £206 has turned out to be a jammily good purchase. It was only supposed to be a stopgap, but it does great for the games I play so I think I'll be skipping this generation entirely. If things had been reasonable in terms of pricing and availability I would probably have sprung for a 3060 Ti, but I'm just so utterly put off by how the past 8 months have been that they can all do one as far as I'm concerned. Nvidia, AMD, fabs, board partners, distributors, retailers, miners, scalpers and bots can all get in the bin. There's free market, supply and demand and there's taking the mick, and I think some serious amounts of Michael have been extracted during this fiasco.

I think things are starting to improve a bit. Scan had 2 drops , 1 each week. Still cards sold out in minutes, but some managed to secure 3060tu FE for under £400. China is banning mining and Eth v2 will come on stream soon. So maybe we will be able to secure some GPUs still this year.

3060ti would do, I really don't want to go to the darkside (nvidia) but AMD being unwilling to ship to me and high prices elsewhere its which ever I can get first.

On the thing Of look I built a PC for a friend in November and got a new 5600xt for £205. If I knew what was going to happen I would have bought all of them.

I'm still glad that I had no need for a new GPU, due to having my Vega 56 already for the past few years.

I'm also glad that I haven't had the lack of low-priced HDDs (due to Chia miners) affect me, as I bought a few externals last year to shuck when storage space got low.

Now my storage space has reached that point, so it's time to shuck. :)

I'd be surprised if GPU prices ever drop back to comparably low levels, regardless of what happens with mining.

Even if gpu mining falls off a cliff, the scalpers will keep the GPU market in their sights - I fully expect them to try and hoover up cards at every launch, to constrict supply and create demand. I'm not suggesting a conscious collective effort, just a confluence of their self interest creating the bubble they might well profit from.

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I'd be surprised if GPU prices ever drop back to comparably low levels, regardless of what happens with mining.

Even if gpu mining falls off a cliff, the scalpers will keep the GPU market in their sights - I fully expect them to try and hoover up cards at every launch, to constrict supply and create demand. I'm not suggesting a conscious collective effort, just a confluence of their self interest creating the bubble they might well profit from.

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That will be halted just as soon as NVidia/AMD announce next generation plans - scalpers won't want to be left with stock that no-one wants.

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That will be halted just as soon as NVidia/AMD announce next generation plans - scalpers won't want to be left with stock that no-one wants.

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..and then start again as soon as the new generation launches

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..and then start again as soon as the new generation launches

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Only the usual new gen stuff which is an order of magnitude less than what we're currently seeing - supply will sort those out.

Unfortunately I don't see them stopping scaplers as they will always find a way.

Scalpers need enough capital to get enough of the supply to crowd out regular buyers. Without mining eating supply (and especially if we start seeing ex-mining cards flooding the market) that's a big ask, and if scalpers can't tie up the market then they don't really get much out of it

I can't see what benefit AMD or Nvidia would get from introducing a new generation currently, surely the most profitable route is to keep selling the current one at inflated prices as yields improve.

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I can't see what benefit AMD or Nvidia would get from introducing a new generation currently, surely the most profitable route is to keep selling the current one at inflated prices as yields improve.

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If they were acting together to prevent competition.. sure, but that would also breach any number of regulations. AMD have got a lot to gain by introducing better products since they're still behind in RT say, and Nvidia usually introduce a refresh a year or so on which they can either sell in the same market position or in addition to existing cards if needed.

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If they were acting together to prevent competition.. sure, but that would also breach any number of regulations.

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How does not releasing new products breach any regulations?

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How does not releasing new products breach any regulations?

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It can breach anti-competitive regulations, if you're doing it in consort with a competitor for eg.

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It can breach anti-competitive regulations, if you're doing it in consort with a competitor for eg.

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I don't think they will do it in consort. It wouldn't be hard for both independantly to realise that they can sell more of what they currently make without needing to replace it.

AMD GPU sales share has plummeted over the last year or so. Their lack of GPU supply has started to become a big issue.

Seems you can still get a 6700XT in a few places all at £700+, how long are retailers going to hold on before admitting the game is up.

I suppose the problem is if they were all at MSRP tomorrow they would sell out immediately to scalpers where right now the ebay scalper sold prices are starting to slip under £600.

The correction is coming.

Seems Amazon are starting to stock cards again, inflated prices but not as bad.

Ebuyer also sold a 6700xt at £489.99 (sold out).

Scalpers still going but prices slowly reducing.

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Originally Posted by Percy1983

Seems Amazon are starting to stock cards again, inflated prices but not as bad.

Ebuyer also sold a 6700xt at £489.99 (sold out).

Scalpers still going but prices slowly reducing.

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OcUK had various RTX3060TI GPUs at £420~£450 and sub £400 RTX3060 GPUs on pre-order today.

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

OcUK had various RTX3060TI GPUs at £420~£450 and sub £400 RTX3060 GPUs on pre-order today.

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Inno3D and Zotac only. Not top of my wish list in terms of manufacturers tbh.

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Originally Posted by ik9000

Inno3D and Zotac only. Not top of my wish list in terms of manufacturers tbh.

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Zotac have a 5 year warranty,which last time I checked was UK based.

Seems they are coming in at 'scalpable' prices so selling quickly still but more stock is certainly a good thing.

Not so hot on some manufacturers of Nvidia cards, been Sapphire or powercolor for a long time.

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

Zotac have a 5 year warranty,which last time I checked was UK based.

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Their support has supposedly massively improved in recent years too, so they are good to deal wtih.

The main issue with them is that you have to deal wtih that process at all - their cards have a well earned reputation for being generally hot and noisy, and hit and miss as to whether you get a good one or not.

They may be one of the highest volume AIBs for Nvidia, but I still won't buy one of their cards.

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Their support has supposedly massively improved in recent years too, so they are good to deal wtih.

The main issue with them is that you have to deal wtih that process at all - their cards have a well earned reputation for being generally hot and noisy, and hit and miss as to whether you get a good one or not.

They may be one of the highest volume AIBs for Nvidia, but I still won't buy one of their cards.

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Its best to check reviews before you buy anyway. However,Etherium is starting to rebound so hopefully the price dip isn't a short term one! :(

Zotac are not good to deal with. By far the worst warranty process I\'ve ever had to deal with I\'d never buy them again. Outright refusing RMAs and trying to blame my harddrive of all things.

I really do hope they\'ve improved recently for anyone purchasing their cards.

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

Its best to check reviews before you buy anyway. However,Etherium is starting to rebound so hopefully the price dip isn't a short term one! :(

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The total hashrate has been creeping back up again, but it is still a long way off the old peak and I don\'t really see it getting back that high.

LHR cards will hopefully be our savior

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LHR cards will hopefully be our savior

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?what? by impairing gamer cards abilities and removing 2nd hand markets by denying gamers access to ex-mining cards in the future? Yeah no. Especially when bigger miners seem able to buy chips direct from source by all accounts.

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Originally Posted by ik9000

?what? by impairing gamer cards abilities and removing 2nd hand markets by denying gamers access to ex-mining cards in the future? Yeah no. Especially when bigger miners seem able to buy chips direct from source by all accounts.

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It's a rubbish situation that we can neutered products...but I'm just happy I've managed to order an LHR 3060Ti. Even if it's gimped (not that I'd ever mine but still).

Not really sadly, once ethereum goes pos after december or the difficulty bomb comes LHR cards will be the best ones for the long term due to full speed hashing on alternative algos.

https://i.imgur.com/3ylzSbE.jpeg

On my airplane out of Shanghai the other day... Probably about 500 cards on that pallet, and we had 6 of them. MSI brand.

Whoever posted this on Instagram took the rest. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1PVN2Ek7dg

I want to get one now, almost went to CEX to get 2080. But now getting a new case, motherboard and psu and cabinet. Even with all that it's only about half the price of a GFX card.

4090 price rumours are starting:
https://i.imgur.com/ZB6J4KS.png
(via https://www.pcgamer.com/im-not-buyin...-but-should-i/)

Might be someone testing the waters to see how much they can get away it.

Because I'm worth it gamers might buy even that those prices. (I imagine ETH will finally have gone PoS by then, so only gamers.)

That looks like a prediction rather than a rumour (it even says prediction). We can do the same here, but it doesn't count for anything :p

The issue is they've seen how much gamers are willing to pay to complete with scalpers. So now it'll be the new normal to charge way more. Limited supply has helped that drive in the price.

Look a fuel as an example. Always goes up. Rarely back down.

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Originally Posted by EnternalStorm

Look a fuel as an example. Always goes up. Rarely back down.

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Poor example - fuel really dropped in price a year or so ago. Data: https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...hly-statistics

From my point of view I could now get a 6600xt for less than I sold my vega56 for and it would be an upgrade.

But I don't feel the 6600xt is worth what is being charged and my R9 290 is still working well.

I went out yesterday and ordered one from Scan The RTX will look good in my rig whilst playing Call of Duty

I'd personally say you'd be looking at another 6 months at least. The fact Christmas is coming up means part prices have no real reason to decrease, as the demand is only going to increase. However I am seeing GPUs become more readily available so just seems like a slow path for them to come back down to MSRP. I like most, hopes it happens sooner rather then later but doubt it will be any time this year.

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Originally Posted by C_1

I'd personally say you'd be looking at another 6 months at least. The fact Christmas is coming up means part prices have no real reason to decrease, as the demand is only going to increase. However I am seeing GPUs become more readily available so just seems like a slow path for them to come back down to MSRP. I like most, hopes it happens sooner rather then later but doubt it will be any time this year.

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I generally agree, seems I can get a 6700xt new from retailers at a high price (£700ish) but I can see if they sold at £450-500 the scalpers would buy them all and get them on ebay (currently £600-650) so its new at a high price or used at a lessor high price.

The problem is the longer it goes on the more demand, the more demand the more scalpers, the more scalpers the higher the prices. Worried we may be stuck in a eternal scalper loop with retailers/suppliers happy with lower sales at higher margins.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/BYqqxB.jpg
Got mine this mining. My 60th birthday present. Cannot wait to try this in CoD tonight

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Originally Posted by kovoet

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/byqqxb.jpg
got mine this mining. My 60th birthday present. Cannot wait to try this in cod tonight

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rtx3080?