just out of curiosity i had ordered a 9600 by connect 3d
but no stock at the moment so they had the sapphire ones in stock just wandering what the difference was in these cards as there is only £1 difference?????? i am confused
cheers
just out of curiosity i had ordered a 9600 by connect 3d
but no stock at the moment so they had the sapphire ones in stock just wandering what the difference was in these cards as there is only £1 difference?????? i am confused
cheers
I just recieved my Tyan Tachyon G9600 pro from Ebuyer, first time i used ebuyer and i specified next day delivery for a few quid extra and it did come next day. Nice. the card was £120 inc vat, its £117 inc vat now (bargain!), and theres only 50 odd left. There was 400+ in stock when i ordered mine last week. If youve ordered the 9600 non pro, cancel it now and order a Tachyon pro, before theyre all sold out!
Butuz
Between the Connect3D and Sapphire not much difference
I bought a 9500pro when they first came out the card was the same colour and had the same fan as the Connect3D but it was a Sapphire.
Those companies are just trading partners. They buy the cards from ATI and sort there own point of sale, extra's etc.
Both are going to perform just as well as each other.
Also ive heard good things on the Tyan cards so do as Butuz says and cancel the order![]()
You know, I've always said that everyone should do what i say. But up untill now only the peeps that get paid to do what i say have done so.Originally posted by Pigboy
Also ive heard good things on the Tyan cards so do as Butuz says and cancel the order![]()
Do what pigboy says, and do what i say peeps!
Butuz
Yup unfort 9600 is a bit lowly, you'd be much better off with a £60-70 GF4TI4200. The 9600PRO is inferior to the 9500PRO it replaced but only minorly so, it's still the top mid-range card and the best current bet for future-proofing without paying mad amounts of cash. 9600PRO should be found easily for under £130, either get one of those or get a 4200 to tide you over until the real affordable and perf orientated DX9 cards arrive.
agreed. tyan 9600 pro is the way to go. unlike the sapphire and connect 3d, tyan havent used the generic design from AMD afaik. cant remember what they did to it though.
9600 pros are available from Aria for £128 inc vat plus postage. I bought a 9600 from there when they were on Deal for today. It's a good card for the price, and it's nicely overclockable![]()
yeah, ATI
Its been a long day with this beatch of a computer, still trying to get it to not crash along with setting it up and transferring all sorts. Think im finally there, and the crashes seem to be slowing to every 3 hours or so...
Isn't the Radeon 9600 (pro) a dx9 card.Originally posted by Austin
Yup unfort 9600 is a bit lowly, you'd be much better off with a £60-70 GF4TI4200. The 9600PRO is inferior to the 9500PRO it replaced but only minorly so, it's still the top mid-range card and the best current bet for future-proofing without paying mad amounts of cash. 9600PRO should be found easily for under £130, either get one of those or get a 4200 to tide you over until the real affordable and perf orientated DX9 cards arrive.
R-points pyramid scheme is NOT allowed on HEXUS. Please do not add it back again - thank you.
Yup, 9600nonPRO is a DX9 card BUT the speed is pretty slow so DX9 initself may not help you, certainly much faster than the DX9 GF-FX5200 which is plainly too slow for DX9 to be useful. If you want the future-proofing of DX9 I'd suggest the Rad9600PRO minimum as you need the speed as well as the capability ... I'd say GF4TI4200 is as future-proofed as 9600nonPRO as the 4200 easily has the edge in raw speed.
What I meant about the new 'perf orientated' DX9 cards is that the current crop are pretty poor in many respects esp nVidia's offerings, looking at the (now rather aged) 9700 series and the 9500PRO we've almost regressed rather than moved forward. We should be on 0.13mu DX9 cards with 8 pipes for the top end cards and the mid-range cards should use 8 pipes (or 4 with two textures per pass) and at least be close to 9700nonPRO perf certainly by now. Unfort it's more about per unit profit, marketing and throwing specs/capabilities around than producing a good performing card ... shame really as ATI had a fantastic chance to trounce nVidia but instead brought out the minorly improved 9800 series and the slightly inferior 9600 series ... and the less said about the 9000-9200 the better. They gave a chance for nVidia to compete, ATI should have punished them more for their GF-FX blunder ... they may not get another chance if nVidia can recover.
Last edited by Austin; 25-09-2003 at 11:01 AM.
Yep - I can confirm that now that I've got one (at work - added one into an order out of curiosity). Basically the core speed on the non-pro is only 300MHz and the memory is only 400MHz (200MHz DDR that is). Having said that though the RAM on my card is rated at 3.6ns - 550MHz (275MHz DDR) and the core seems happy to run at 475MHz. Other problems with the non pro (or at least the one I have) is that that any driver > v3.4 puts the clocks back at default when you overclock. Overclocking in v3.4 works fine though - and if you're up for it you can flash your overclocked settings into the card's BIOS... Having said all of that I still don't think the card is good value compared to the pro versions - even at 475MHz core the RAM is still holding the card back - and there's not much else I can do about that (the RAM won't run 100% reliably at any speed over 550/275 on my card)Originally posted by Austin
Yup, 9600nonPRO is a DX9 card BUT the speed is pretty slow
Well getting from 300/400 to 475/550 is still a big improvement (50% increase) and will get you to 9600PRO perf (400/600) ... but then most 9600PRO o/c to around 550/700 (ish) so they really pull away again. It does seem it's probably best to either pay the extra £30ish for the 9600PRO or else save yourself £30ish and get the GF4TI4200. If you get the 9600nonPRO it's certainly wise to o/c, the 0.13mu should not only be cool but have some decent headroom in it.
malfunction, any info on how to set the clocks through the BIOS? I'm interested for my 9500PRO.
Basically the safest way to do it is to download a BIOS flashing / dumping tool and a BIOS editing tool. Dump your own BIOS, edit it and then flash the modified bios back. I haven't got any links on the PC I'm using right now but google ought to be able to help - "radeon ati bios editor" and "radeon ati bios flasher" . I'll post back when I've got the proper links as I'm going to try it out on the 9600 non-pro. Won't any of the usual software tools (r3d tweak, etc) let you overclock and apply that overclock at startup? I thought it was only the 9600s and 9800s that were locked - have you tried the Cat 3.4 drivers?Originally posted by Austin
malfunction, any info on how to set the clocks through the BIOS? I'm interested for my 9500PRO.
well it is to late as my card is on it's way but i am not too bothered with the tyan card as my 9600 was only £89
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