nVidia - Caught cheating?

[Stoo]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25807

At least the guys proved it isn't a hardware bug - it's a driver problem only but performance drops dramatically as soon as you resolve it.

ouch..

[Tobeman]

Quick, ATi - make use of the situation and release Crossfire

[Xaneden]

Oh uh, I think someone at Nvidia HQ is going to get fired

[Scarlet Infidel]

Classic!

[unreal]

Didn't nvidia play a bit dirty back in the days when 3DMark 03 first came out? They haven't learned

[Xaneden]

This can only be good news for ATi, its going to add to the hype surrounding their next line of graphics cards.

[directhex]

both ati AND nvidia have been shown to have cheated for benchmarks before

plus ca change

[Xaneden]

both ati AND nvidia have been shown to have cheated for benchmarks before

plus ca change

Did I suggest otherwise? I think not.

[unrealuniverse]

30% loss is only a tiny drop really. However at least you can make the card honest by using your own driver.

[muddyfox470]

Uh Oh

I would like to see how this develops and see NVidias reponse to all this

Ian

[menthel]

This always happens. One companies product is optimised for one benchmark, whether it be an artificial one or a game and then accusations of 'cheating' come out. Old story, new card. Yawn!

[S1nnless]

nothing new to me. both have already cheated once, but it seams that they didn't learn anything. Don't Cheat, play fair

[[DW]Cougho]

Indeed ATi and NV are guilty of this but only one produced such quality photoshops as the old NV cheat for the FX'es.



poor show though tbh, cheating again and even worse, being caught!

[Mesce]

This post is from EOCF which explains what has happened. Courtesy of the knowledgable dil-tech, I thought you might want a little bit more knowledge.

The shimmering they speak of only shows up in 2 cases... Low rez and without AA/AF. On the 6800 it was fixable by turning on the Texture Clamp, I'm sure it can be done the same way with this one.

Now, for this case, when they removed the 7800gtx inf so the card ran unknown, OF COURSE IT LOST 30%, IT DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE CARD, COMMON SENSE PEOPLE! Run your GPU without a driver and see how slow it goes!

Also, ATi did the same thing last round, where the X800's lost 25-40% when you turned on mip-map test colors as to hide the fact that it didn't do true trilinear filtering and instead did brilinear.

However, this IS an issue that needs to be fixed. Of course, this is also an issue that NVidia has stated will be fixed with the next driver. It's not the AF at fault, it's something to do with the texture clamp, they gave an option in some beta drivers to clamp it down, and the shimmering would go away. It'll be a simple driver fix, as this isn't caused by an optimization, and not everyone is even getting it to happen.

Eh, for all you guys, I simply thought I'd letcha know. There's a post by an NVidia insider on [h]'s forum that the "shimmering" will is fixed in a beta driver(which is being tested now), and has NO quality loss OR speed loss...No 30% loss due to the fix... In otherwords, I'm right, it IS just a bug.



http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=947072

I know what you're thinking "He's just some kid making claims".... Well, scroll thru a little and you'll see he's in possession of two 6800gt's and 2 7800gtx's, now you'll think "so what difference does that make?", inwhich case I'll point out, THEY'RE REFERENCE CARDS, as in, not cards you can buy on the market. You might get lucky and find one here and there, but 2 reference gt's and 2 reference 7800gtx's?.. Not going to happen.

The driver is the 78.03, and will be on NVZone VERY soon...


Even better, includes videos of the problem being fixed...
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=55812
Again, driver 78.03 is the one to watch for.

[unrealuniverse]

i've got one of those 80.XX beta drivers on my computer, nvidia really need to release them with no bugs and mismatch SLI support. Don't suppose it'll be of any help to a FX 5900 though.

[Mesce]

Supposedly the fx5900 wasn't effected what so ever it is basically just the 7800gtx for the time being, but with the beta driver it has been proven that the 30% lower performance is nonesense and it was just a driver bug. Every manufacurer comes out with a bug once in a while, and the 7800 series are still new so expect bugs here and there.