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    Unhappy Ati 8500 Crashes

    I have a ati 8500, and the videocard crashes when i trie to run 3dmark 2001, it crashes when it starts the 2º test (car-high detail). Also in several games like: NFS hot persuit 2, TOCA DRIVER, but runs the Enter the matrix OK. I Have the latest drivers from ATI directx 9.0a windows XP (SP1)

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    IS the card overclocked any? if so lower it to default clock settings, if not that then i really cant think whats wrong :S
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    i didn't overclocked, Thanks :|

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    Could be residual drivers ... did you uninstall the old drivers and ctrl panel before putting the new ones on ... and did you do a fresh install when upgrading to the Rad (or even fully remove all traces of any old gfx cards)? Drivers since CAT3.4 have anti-o/c in them which is designed to crash your system if you o/c (esp if you set new clocks on bootup), however you say you haven't (ever?) o/c'ed so that shouldn't be a factor, esp with DX8 cards.

    Generic drivers direct from ATI (or tweaked Omegas) are the best as they're most up to date and low level manu deviation from the reference design is now incredibly rare, still you can try the manu's drivers (eg Creative, Sapphire etc) just to see if they help.

    Do install DX9.0b as that can fix a few little bugs. Other than that it would be checking BIOS settings and that the PSU can cope.

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    I Trie Everything, I clean up the disc (format c:/) before install the drivers.
    "that the -PSU- can cope." what do you meen?

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    PSU = Power Supply Unit. It supplies and regulates the power supplied to all your PC's innards. The unknown brands are poor and often optimisticly rated ... the less said about the crap that comes with most cases the better. Rad8500 isn't a power monster and it seems you're only running 1 HD so I doubt it would be the problem, are you stable when stressing the PC in other stuff?

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    could be simply that your CPU is overheating perhaps and causing the lockups? have you tried a different graphics card to see if this is the case...

    also download a temperature monitoring program such as MBM5 (look on www.google.com) and tell us what the temperatures of your case and cpu are

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    I didn't have that problem...
    I board is a ECS K7S5a and i can't unlock the power manager (voltage to the diferents parts). I think it needs a bios update or something like that


    Before this card i had a Geforce 4MX, and i never and any trouble

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    It supplies and regulates the power supplied to all your PC's innards.
    it gets re-regulated so it doesnt matter... it trys to output ripple free +3.3, +5 and +12v but the mobo, gfx card and other devices will re-regulate it to the voltage they needo it doesnt really matter.. if the psu cant handle the load then it will probly blow up (as the big storage cap will get overloaded and explode) so youd know if that was the cause...

    why hasnt any one mentioned any stress/test programs yet? even if he is overclocked (assuming he done it properly) its unlikely to be the cause..
    goto these sites, read, then downlaod the apps and test:

    www.memtest86.com - needs to be ran from a bootable cd (or floppy), the site explains. this app tests the mobo and ram.

    prime95 - ftp://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v237.zip
    this will test mainly cpu, but any problems with mobo or ram can give errors, probly the best test app. leave it for an hour in torture mode, if theres no errors ur cpu is fine.

    if u can do 3 benches in a row of 3dm2k1 without any gfx artifacts with full quality settings, ur gfx card is fine - which you cant, but that could still be caused by cpu mobo ram or somming else so test with the other apps first.. theres an app called artifact tester5 that comes with omega drivers (www.omegacorner.com) which might show if theres a prob with ur gfx card..

    open up ur pc case and check that all the fans are spinning by sticking ur fingers between the blades and that theres no metal objects shorting on things they shouldnt and that the mobo was installed on spacers and not screwed directly into the case

    ur bios is probly set up wrong, try loading safe defualts, and that might fix..
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    Originally posted by Austin
    ... are you stable when stressing the PC in other stuff?
    There you go, 3 threads ago. Admittedly not specific but certainly mentioned.

    Originally posted by |SilentDeath|
    [PSU supplies and regulates] it gets re-regulated so it doesnt matter ... if the psu cant handle the load then it will probly blow up (as the big storage cap will get overloaded and explode) so youd know if that was the cause
    Not at all in my experience (and the experiences of others). The power supply may give flaky voltages when under stress, even well below its rated Wattage, plus many modern PSUs have shut-off features to (certainly in theory) shut off way before fire or explosion can occur. I (like many others) have seen a poor or faulty PSU destroy internal parts, that's largely why IMHO anyone above the entry level should look to a decent brand of PSU. You can easily get instability from a poor or faulty PSU, of course it's not always (in fact rarely) the cause but you can certainly have problems with no tell tale signs that the PSU's the culprit. Many internal components will regulate and store the power they need but they can only really be as good as the feed they're given.

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    never had a psu go wrong myself.. or had problms caused by one... ive had 5 cheap unbranded psus.... currently using a 350w.. im not expert in electronics (yet - give me 2 years ) so ur probablly right, but this is how i understanded it:

    voltages will drop, but they shouldnt matter. say i had a chip that needed 2v, and the supply was 5v, the voltage regulator that would suit it best would run on any voltage between about 3.5 and 7 and, if it gets between them should always give out 2v. the extra voltage would either be given off as heat or theres other ways to do it which waste less power (ive not learn that much yet, but i assume PWM would be used, and a capacitor to smooth it into the right voltage)

    most psus will shut off before causing damage, but its not always best to rely on it shutting off as the capacitor used might be overrated and explode early... or the thermal fuse might be in the coldest place in the psu.. but in theory it should shut off...

    any problems are probably caused by stuff running unregualted from the psu.. this is mostly likely stuff on 3.3v.. theres not much point in re-regulating it if its at the right voltage... (as u need a higher voltage to get the regualted voltage..) asuiming the psu is good enuf.. (afaik anything important - that draws a lot of currrent, will be re-regulated.. the stuff that isnt, shouldnt draw enuf to pull the rails down... exept in p4 systems where fans can easly bring +12 down which is what most of it will use... but it still shoudlnt affect it *too* much...)

    most people usually just blame the psu if they cant find whats wrong imo... ive fixed a few pcs where that was what caused it, which it didnt

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    Thank you guys
    Is it possible that a bad overclocking could damage a part of the videocard. I never overclock the ATI but the person from i Buy it may very well had overclocked. Is there any program that can "say" where is the problem in the board... like i said the ATI crashes in the beginning of the 2º test of 3dMarks 2001 SE (car High detail)... and when i desable this one the rest of the test work fine (in the end i don't get any result because the 3DMarks needs the run all tests (that is what appers in result box)
    (sorry about the bad ingles, i doing my best.... EURO2004 in PORTUGAL )

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    at the moment im using my daughters pc which has about the same set up as you( a q-tec 550 watt psu fried my own pc)
    1.4 athlon
    k7s5a mobo
    ati 8500 gfx (cheers malfunction nice card)
    256 mb 266ddr (cheers Theo )
    40 gig 7200rpm hd
    this pc was freezing alot but i installed the new 3.8 cats
    www.ati.com bottom left of the page is the driver dl link
    and so far it hasnt froze or crashed its running 3d mark 2001 well
    now and scoring just over the 7,000 mark all the time
    so id say uninstall your old gfx drivers and install the new 3.8s and it should be fine tho you might have already tried this
    i can play ut 2k3 on 1280x768 no problems in fact it plays it well
    forgot to say as Austin mentioned i also installed directx 9.b from 8.1
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    Andre there is always an inherent risk when o/c'ing BUT it's virtually zero if you follow the golden rules.

    * Use small steps up and test each time that you are truly stable.

    * Try to keep other components in spec so you can isolate the part you wish to o/c. eg In gfx try the RAM and then the core rather than both. For CPU try to keep the FSB and RAM running at normal rates.

    * Avoid over-volting, it can let you go higher but causes serious stress and loads more heat, be sure it lets you go significantly faster. For CPUs this can be more complex, many TbredB use 1.50v or 1.60v while the normal for the cores is actually 1.65v, setting 1.65v isn't technically over-volting.

    * When you find your highest stable speed (the limit), do NOT leave it there, drop it back a little to ensure long term stability and prevent maximum stress on the part(s) in question.

    * Pick your part carefully. Although there is no guarantee with any part some are hugely more o/cable in general. eg GF4TI4200 o/c very well but GF4TI4600 is so near the limit the technology is based on there's little o/c'ing potential. Same goes for the XP2500+ Barton vs the XP3200+ Barton.

    So basically if someone hasn't been careful with o/c'ing any given component then it is certainly likely that damage could be caused. Even o/c'ing their CPU could easily affect their mobo (FSB, PCI/AGP) which in turn can easily affect their gfx card, RAM, HD etc.

    The fact that you can't get through 1 particular test in 3Dmark could simply be down to an fault with the copy you downloaded, it can also be tempremental if you change gfx card after installing it. Reinstall it, if that's no good then redownload it too, have you tried other things to stress your PC and gfx card?

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    i trie to run a benchmark, the "Vulpine GLmark"(in www.guru3d.com). and it crashes at the beginning like in that test in 3dMark (the screen sometimes is black in other times it gets vertical lines, bars (normaly 4 0r 5 colours ,green, orange,...).
    In another benchmark, the "Final Fantasy XI Benchmark 2 v1.0" everything is ok except in top left coner, around the final fantasy logo i see white spaces, the same white spots (little dots, like bad transmiting in tv) are present in the menu of TOCA DRIVER, before i launch the game and crashes.

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