I see "simple" seems to be beyond you. I said it was a pointless scan, I did not say what it did or did not do. Long winded replys hold no water, I require a link, simple
I see "simple" seems to be beyond you. I said it was a pointless scan, I did not say what it did or did not do. Long winded replys hold no water, I require a link, simple
How can a scan that verifies if the data is valid or not be pointless in anyway, shape or form?
How would the user know that the data is not valid without the scan?
What is there to link exactly about those two things? Do you want a link explaining what verification is? If so, then here
So I ask again, what is "pointless" about Nero's verification check?
The bottom line is that any sort of verification on data to check its integrity is worth while.
That's nice, how about being constructive and explaining why you feel the Nero verification is pointless? Agent has supplied his counter argument to your original assertion.
EDIT: Reread the entire thread and I think I've found the divergence. Are you referring to Nero verification being pointless in diagnosing this particular problem?
So be it, long winded it is
Time/errenous results, lack of support from the dvd/community for this type of scan, the reason I asked for a link, is to see why this has/is become a fundamental test in burned media.
Linkage, is required to verify YOUR post as to why this has/is become a fundamental test in burned media. Your link mentions nothing about nero verify, or indeed absolutely nothing regarding its usage and reliability as a benchmark test of blank media
A question with a opinion, backed up by by a wiki link with reference to Verification and Validation.
Let me make this clear to you, you categorically dismissed nero verify as not pointless, you have since then lead with what nero verfiy actually does, I am not questioning what nero does or does not. I would like to know when it became the enthusiast benchmark of blank media that you seem to think it is, simple
How about staying on-topic, members acting like forum leg attachments to other forum member are positivley uncool.
Back on topic
As with all non professional scanning methods, it all depends on what you regard as the enthusiast benchmark/test
I half wrote a long winded post but I thought I keep it simpler. No one on this thread as claimed Nero verification is "the enthusiast benchmark of blank media". That would be a stretch for anyone to sell since Nero simply returns a binary result.
MY interpretation of this discussion is that Agent thinks you've deemed Nero verification as pointless in the general sense based on his responses. I'm still not quite sure where you're coming from though.
Still wondering if your assertion is that Nero verification is:
(a) Pointless in the OP's scenario.
(b) Pointless in general and should never be run.
(c) Pointless as a diagnosis and benchmarking tool.
(d) None of the above.
Let's not get melodramatic here. Last time I checked it's acceptable and quite the norm for participants to agree or disagree with existing posts. It's good manners to refer to the original authors of anything you're referencing so I really fail to see your issue with this.
Besides yourself, who has even implied that Nero verification is even a benchmark let alone an "enthusiasts benchmark"? To me it's a simple and easy indicator (note, not a guarantee) on the success of a burn. Nothing more, nothing less.
A verification is far from pointless because there's no reason to test PIE/PIF etc unless the data has been written correctly in the first place.....
Max Tractor just be quiet, nobody said verification is a benchmark but it's an essential process. Or do you just sit around all day burning DVD's only to test how much jitter there is?
Point of correction old chap, a nero verify. Your interpretation is to nero verify every disc, if it fails to verify, you wont even bother pie/pif/trt, you will bin it, outstanding.
Why tell somebody to be quiet and finish with a ? Outstanding again old chap.
I never mentioned jitter, as for my burning activities, read and you might learn, I use quality media, in sync with firmware, writing strats, proven burners(NEC 3540/BenQ1650), scanned in 2 drives(Lite-on LH-20A1S/BQ1650)for cross-reference(new batch/double check), coupled with a real time check, 2 back ups of each disc, master/worker, properly stored
Last edited by Max Tractor; 11-04-2008 at 06:42 PM.
I concur, however letter t-shirt wearing and pom pom shaking from the sideline is not. If a post/reply contravine hexus rules, the forum is pretty well policed, I am sure it would be dealt with by the appropriate person, not some pseudo-esque wannabe
According to you, it is not a benchmark, especially not a enthusiasts benchmark, a mere indicator, no guarantee, sounds pretty pointless to me
Last edited by Max Tractor; 11-04-2008 at 06:28 PM.
...wow...
Just to be utterly selfish, I'm going to ignore most of that (went over my head anyway).
Just looked at the media, it's TDK.
Tried to burn again and CDburnerXP said all bar 1 file failed verification and similar results with CRC32 check.![]()
I'll slap in the old Lite-on drive and see what happens.
Many thanks for the offer of free DVDs to check with AgentIf I need to, I may ask for a couple of discs for testing.
I have burnt audio and data CDs fine.
Last edited by sleepyhead; 11-04-2008 at 10:31 PM.
Where in the forum rules does it prohibit this?
I agree but there's no need to be so harsh on yourself.
It allows non-enthusiast users, who greatly outnumber enthusiasts to quickly and easily determine if their burn was (most likely) completed successfully. For those who aren't too busy admiring their own greatness in the mirror this is a very useful feature.
That's very thorough of you but 99% of domestic users (non-commercial) do not need or want this level of verification. Most people simply want to burn stuff and the biggest problem they face is either losing or damaging the media. For these regular folk a simple “Nero verification” is all they need 99% of the time and thus it’s far from being a pointless procedure.
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