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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    I see "simple" seems to be beyond you. I said it was a pointless scan, I did not say what it did or did not do. Long winded replys hold no water, I require a link, simple

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    I see "simple" seems to be beyond you. I said it was a pointless scan, I did not say what it did or did not do. Long winded replys hold no water, I require a link, simple
    Agent's response makes sense to me and I agree with him. It's an easy way to verify data integrity on the completed write. I wouldn't deem write verification as pointless. Or are we still on different wavelengths? BTW, being snide doesn't help your case.

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    I see "simple" seems to be beyond you. I said it was a pointless scan, I did not say what it did or did not do. Long winded replys hold no water, I require a link, simple
    How can a scan that verifies if the data is valid or not be pointless in anyway, shape or form?
    How would the user know that the data is not valid without the scan?

    What is there to link exactly about those two things? Do you want a link explaining what verification is? If so, then here

    So I ask again, what is "pointless" about Nero's verification check?
    The bottom line is that any sort of verification on data to check its integrity is worth while.
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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    BTW, being snide doesn't help your case.
    I require no pom pom shaking from you.

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    I require no pom pom shaking from you.
    That's nice, how about being constructive and explaining why you feel the Nero verification is pointless? Agent has supplied his counter argument to your original assertion.

    EDIT: Reread the entire thread and I think I've found the divergence. Are you referring to Nero verification being pointless in diagnosing this particular problem?

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    So be it, long winded it is

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    How can a scan that verifies if the data is valid or not be pointless in anyway, shape or form?
    How would the user know that the data is not valid without the scan?
    Time/errenous results, lack of support from the dvd/community for this type of scan, the reason I asked for a link, is to see why this has/is become a fundamental test in burned media.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post

    What is there to link exactly about those two things? Do you want a link explaining what verification is? If so, then here

    Linkage, is required to verify YOUR post as to why this has/is become a fundamental test in burned media. Your link mentions nothing about nero verify, or indeed absolutely nothing regarding its usage and reliability as a benchmark test of blank media

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    So I ask again, what is "pointless" about Nero's verification check?
    The bottom line is that any sort of verification on data to check its integrity is worth while.
    A question with a opinion, backed up by by a wiki link with reference to Verification and Validation.


    Let me make this clear to you, you categorically dismissed nero verify as not pointless, you have since then lead with what nero verfiy actually does, I am not questioning what nero does or does not. I would like to know when it became the enthusiast benchmark of blank media that you seem to think it is, simple

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    That's nice, how about being constructive and explaining why you feel the Nero verification is pointless? Agent has supplied his counter argument to your original assertion.

    EDIT: Reread the entire thread and I think I've found the divergence. Are you referring to Nero verification being pointless in diagnosing this particular problem?

    How about staying on-topic, members acting like forum leg attachments to other forum member are positivley uncool.

    Back on topic

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    Are you referring to Nero verification being pointless in diagnosing this particular problem?

    As with all non professional scanning methods, it all depends on what you regard as the enthusiast benchmark/test

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    Let me make this clear to you, you categorically dismissed nero verify as not pointless, you have since then lead with what nero verfiy actually does, I am not questioning what nero does or does not. I would like to know when it became the enthusiast benchmark of blank media that you seem to think it is, simple
    I half wrote a long winded post but I thought I keep it simpler. No one on this thread as claimed Nero verification is "the enthusiast benchmark of blank media". That would be a stretch for anyone to sell since Nero simply returns a binary result.

    MY interpretation of this discussion is that Agent thinks you've deemed Nero verification as pointless in the general sense based on his responses. I'm still not quite sure where you're coming from though.

    Still wondering if your assertion is that Nero verification is:
    (a) Pointless in the OP's scenario.
    (b) Pointless in general and should never be run.
    (c) Pointless as a diagnosis and benchmarking tool.
    (d) None of the above.

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    How about staying on-topic, members acting like forum leg attachments to other forum member are positivley uncool.

    Back on topic

    As with all non professional scanning methods, it all depends on what you regard as the enthusiast benchmark/test
    Let's not get melodramatic here. Last time I checked it's acceptable and quite the norm for participants to agree or disagree with existing posts. It's good manners to refer to the original authors of anything you're referencing so I really fail to see your issue with this.

    Besides yourself, who has even implied that Nero verification is even a benchmark let alone an "enthusiasts benchmark"? To me it's a simple and easy indicator (note, not a guarantee) on the success of a burn. Nothing more, nothing less.

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    A verification is far from pointless because there's no reason to test PIE/PIF etc unless the data has been written correctly in the first place.....

    Max Tractor just be quiet, nobody said verification is a benchmark but it's an essential process. Or do you just sit around all day burning DVD's only to test how much jitter there is?

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Lourdes View Post
    A verification is far from pointless because there's no reason to test PIE/PIF etc unless the data has been written correctly in the first place.....

    Max Tractor just be quiet, nobody said verification is a benchmark but it's an essential process. Or do you just sit around all day burning DVD's only to test how much jitter there is?
    Wow, I feel I just got owned by someone who is agreeing with me. Much more concise than my drivel...

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Lourdes View Post
    A verification is far from pointless because there's no reason to test PIE/PIF etc unless the data has been written correctly in the first place.....
    Point of correction old chap, a nero verify. Your interpretation is to nero verify every disc, if it fails to verify, you wont even bother pie/pif/trt, you will bin it, outstanding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lourdes View Post
    Max Tractor just be quiet, nobody said verification is a benchmark but it's an essential process.
    Why tell somebody to be quiet and finish with a ? Outstanding again old chap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lourdes View Post
    Or do you just sit around all day burning DVD's only to test how much jitter there is?
    I never mentioned jitter, as for my burning activities, read and you might learn, I use quality media, in sync with firmware, writing strats, proven burners(NEC 3540/BenQ1650), scanned in 2 drives(Lite-on LH-20A1S/BQ1650)for cross-reference(new batch/double check), coupled with a real time check, 2 back ups of each disc, master/worker, properly stored
    Last edited by Max Tractor; 11-04-2008 at 06:42 PM.

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    I half wrote a long winded post but I thought I keep it simpler. No one on this thread as claimed Nero verification is "the enthusiast benchmark of blank media". That would be a stretch for anyone to sell since Nero simply returns a binary result.
    I claimed it was a pointless scan, I have now expressed why I think it is. I have yet to be informed as to why nero verify is Far from pointless, not what it does or does not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    MY interpretation of this discussion is that Agent thinks you've deemed Nero verification as pointless in the general sense based on his responses. I'm still not quite sure where you're coming from though.

    Still wondering if your assertion is that Nero verification is:
    (a) Pointless in the OP's scenario.
    (b) Pointless in general and should never be run.
    (c) Pointless as a diagnosis and benchmarking tool.
    (d) None of the above.

    Ah multiple choice, probably one for Lourdes

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    Let's not get melodramatic here. Last time I checked it's acceptable and quite the norm for participants to agree or disagree with existing posts.
    I concur, however letter t-shirt wearing and pom pom shaking from the sideline is not. If a post/reply contravine hexus rules, the forum is pretty well policed, I am sure it would be dealt with by the appropriate person, not some pseudo-esque wannabe

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    Besides yourself, who has even implied that Nero verification is even a benchmark let alone an "enthusiasts benchmark"? To me it's a simple and easy indicator (note, not a guarantee) on the success of a burn. Nothing more, nothing less.
    According to you, it is not a benchmark, especially not a enthusiasts benchmark, a mere indicator, no guarantee, sounds pretty pointless to me
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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    ...wow...

    Just to be utterly selfish, I'm going to ignore most of that (went over my head anyway).

    Just looked at the media, it's TDK.

    Tried to burn again and CDburnerXP said all bar 1 file failed verification and similar results with CRC32 check.

    I'll slap in the old Lite-on drive and see what happens.

    Many thanks for the offer of free DVDs to check with Agent If I need to, I may ask for a couple of discs for testing.

    I have burnt audio and data CDs fine.
    Last edited by sleepyhead; 11-04-2008 at 10:31 PM.

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    I concur, however letter t-shirt wearing and pom pom shaking from the sideline is not.
    Where in the forum rules does it prohibit this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    If a post/reply contravine hexus rules, the forum is pretty well policed, I am sure it would be dealt with by the appropriate person, not some pseudo-esque wannabe
    I agree but there's no need to be so harsh on yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    According to you, it is not a benchmark, especially not a enthusiasts benchmark, a mere indicator, no guarantee, sounds pretty pointless to me
    It allows non-enthusiast users, who greatly outnumber enthusiasts to quickly and easily determine if their burn was (most likely) completed successfully. For those who aren't too busy admiring their own greatness in the mirror this is a very useful feature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    I never mentioned jitter, as for my burning activities, read and you might learn, I use quality media, in sync with firmware, writing strats, proven burners(NEC 3540/BenQ1650), scanned in 2 drives(Lite-on LH-20A1S/BQ1650)for cross-reference(new batch/double check), coupled with a real time check, 2 back ups of each disc, master/worker, properly stored
    That's very thorough of you but 99% of domestic users (non-commercial) do not need or want this level of verification. Most people simply want to burn stuff and the biggest problem they face is either losing or damaging the media. For these regular folk a simple “Nero verification” is all they need 99% of the time and thus it’s far from being a pointless procedure.

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