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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    You keep asking for this magical link - then fail to say what you would like in it, what would make it valid, or offer any reasonable debate/input into previous comments you have made.

    What's the point of posting on discussion forums if you're not willing to discuss anything, mealy make a statement then walk away with your fingers in your ears and ignore any other input offered?

    Here was me thinking we were all here for the same thing: The pursuit of knowledge
    Nothing magical about it, to keep repeating ones self becomes a chore, I asked for a link to where nero verify is supported, cd freaks have blank media burn forum/hall of fame pie/pif/jitter/trt, in my time browsing this site and others, I have just never seen a demand for nero verify, I asked for a read up on it, via this type of communtiy. As for the pursuit of knowledge, I have already made it clear that if nero verify was and is used/supported I would use it

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

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    Oh and I use the verification function in Nero Essentials 7 (and CDburnerXP) as one of the two check to make sure the files are a-ok on the disc. The other method I use is CRC32 check, which I am led to believe isn;t as comprehensive as md5sum check but it's good enough for me and using both methods, the old discs I do have still seem to work as they should (and pass CRC32 check on transfering back to HDD).

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    Excuse me, you say that you are not advocating to junk the disc via a nero verify fail, then go on to say that you do
    /sigh

    I'm not recommending that people simply junk a disc because Nero fails it. Just because I treat it as junk doesn’t mean others should. I treat is as junk since it’s better use of my time to simply burn another but others may choose not to be as wasteful. How hard was that to extrapolate from my post? Talk about irrelevant nit picking...

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    /sigh

    I'm not recommending that people simply junk a disc because Nero fails it. Just because I treat it as junk doesn’t mean others should. I treat is as junk since it’s better use of my time to simply burn another but others may choose not to be as wasteful.
    I do similar. If Nero fails it, I run a CRC32 check and that seems to back up Nero in the errors. To me, there is no point keeping the disc if the file isn't identical to what is on the HDD.

    At the end of the day, it's easier for me to re-burn and feel better (maybe not the right way) that the disc passed a simple CRC32 check and the inbuilt file validator on the burning software.

    It's only recently that I been having massive issues of failing to burn, hence the original post.

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    I asked for a link to where nero verify is supported, cd freaks have blank media burn forum/hall of fame pie/pif/jitter/trt, in my time browsing this site and others, I have just never seen a demand for nero verify,
    But pie/pif/jitter/trt do not do the same job as a file verification, so why would they by in any 'hall of fame' with these?
    What is there to go wrong with verification? All that is being done is a bit by bit compare of two files, why would this need to be questioned in the same way as the above?
    The above measure a variable that falls within an acceptable range. A verification does not, it is either correctly written data, or it is not.

    In fact, it raises an interesting point - how are cdfreaks ensuring the the data that's been written is correct? because the scans mentioned above don't. Presumably via some verification method.....like the one in Nero or any other CD writing package.
    Even if they copy the file back to the CD from the disk and then compare it with a Hex editor to the orignal, that's still verification and doing what Nero does.
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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    /sigh

    I'm not recommending that people simply junk a disc because Nero fails it. Just because I treat it as junk doesn’t mean others should. I treat is as junk since it’s better use of my time to simply burn another but others may choose not to be as wasteful. How hard was that to extrapolate from my post? Talk about irrelevant nit picking...

    So lets gets this clear, apparently you are not advocating the junking of a failed nero verify for the greater hords or "the 99%". Personally you do advocate this in your own non-critical, archival media(I thought they were completely different). Which seems rather pointless, op in question, trt scan is fine, pie/pif is poor, this certainly would be a coaster in my scanning process, and not just a personal recommendation, but one that can be backed up, by this process via forums etc. Where is the same back up for nero verify

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    So lets gets this clear, apparently you are not advocating the junking of a failed nero verify for the greater hords or "the 99%". Personally you do advocate this in your own non-critical, archival media(I thought they were completely different). Which seems rather pointless, op in question, trt scan is fine, pie/pif is poor, this certainly would be a coaster in my scanning process, and not just a personal recommendation, but one that can be backed up, by this process via forums etc. Where is the same back up for nero verify
    I have simply stated what I do and why I do it. If someone reads it and thinks it makes sense for them and they adopt it then great, no difference to me either way. It’s pretty simple for me: Nero verification is easy, automated, and gives a binary result at the end. In the hundreds of media I burn each year, 100% of the discs that passed Nero verification have worked 100% of the time in my PC based optical drives (my Denon component DVD player doesn’t like one brand of media I have). The few discs the failed Nero verification that I bothered to test encountered failures on simple copy tests. They would either fail to copy back to the HDD or when copied they would fail to perform as expected, eg. AVI would not play. This is enough for me to trust the result of the Nero verification for my domestic purposes.

    A notable portion of technical forum content revolves around people seeking and providing help. If everything is working fine then there isn’t often a need to document it extensively if at all. How many people call Customer Service just to thank the company for producing an excellent product compared to those that call with a problem?

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Just for the sake of it, I put the same media into my old Lite-On drive (this thing is like 6 years old).

    Here is the pi/pif results (at 4X)


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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    I have simply stated what I do and why I do it.
    Your tagging along, obviously you think nero verify has a purpose, instead of personal usage/opinion, further your argument with back up, I would like to read it. The only links I can see have been posted by me

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by sleepyhead View Post
    Just for the sake of it, I put the same media into my old Lite-On drive (this thing is like 6 years old).

    Here is the pi/pif results (at 4X)

    It is junk, now you need to get to the bottom of it, first port of call would be other media, I would recommend verbatim/ty . If you could test the media in another drive, I could do a couple of test burns/send you some verbs for testing purposes, give me a shout

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    Your tagging along, obviously you think nero verify has a purpose, instead of personal usage/opinion, further your argument with back up, I would like to read it. The only links I can see have been posted by me
    So now you're calling me a liar? That’s a tad rude to say the least and totally unjustified since you have no proof that I’m simply “tagging along”. Should I record myself burning DVD’s and CD’s and then testing them on my PC and DVD player?

    I’ve already explained the logic behind my reasoning several times and it’s getting kind of old. I never claimed there was third party verified tests behind my approach. It may exist on the web or it may not. You go look for it if it’s so important to you, or just keep beating on a dead horse. Since there is no evidence that Nero verification is pointless or inaccurate I will continue with my method.

    I read your links but they’re from another forum. How do the posts on that forum differ from this one? There are no scientific tests there unless I’ve missed something. Same anecdotal “evidence” as here. If that’s the kind of evidence you’re after then it’s not really worth searching for it. Some posters there think Nero and similar programs are fine, others think it's rubbish. How is that different to this thread?

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    So now you're calling me a liar?
    Pardon me, liar!! Rather strong old chap and completely false. I asked you to verify your verify method, is that clear to you, at no point did I call you a liar, forum debate is usually backed up with reading of posted links, how many times do I need to ask.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    Should I record myself burning DVD’s and CD’s and then testing them on my PC and DVD player?
    I have absolutely no interest in your personal usage, we have done that, please try to keep up. I would like to read about nero verify, I have even posted links.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    I’ve already explained the logic behind my reasoning several times and it’s getting kind of old. I never claimed there was third party verified tests behind my approach. It may exist on the web or it may not. You go look for it if it’s so important to you, or just keep beating on a dead horse. Since there is no evidence that Nero verification is pointless or inaccurate I will continue with my method.
    Yes I know please try to move on with the debate, it seems it is very important to you, you seem to be taking this increasingly more personal, it is not

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    I read your links but they’re from another forum. How do the posts on that forum differ from this one? There are no scientific tests there unless I’ve missed something. Same anecdotal “evidence” as here. If that’s the kind of evidence you’re after then it’s not really worth searching for it. Some posters there think Nero and similar programs are fine, others think it's rubbish. How is that different to this thread?
    Those forums are more media/video etc inclined.
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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    Pardon me, liar!! Rather strong old chap and completely false. I asked you to verify your verify method, is that clear to you, at no point did I call you a liar, forum debate is usually backed up with reading of posted links, how many times do I need to ask.
    As started in my earlier post, I don’t see how any of your 4 links justify your position. The same things are being covered here. Please highlight where the scientific proof is on any of those links. Sure, there’s anecdotal statements by knowledgeable people (I have no reason to question their credibility) but that’s about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    I have absolutely no interest in your personal usage, we have done that, please try to keep up. I would like to read about nero verify, I have even posted links.
    Yes, but they don’t PROVE your argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    Yes I know please try to move on with the debate, it seems it is very important to you, you seem to be taking this increasingly more personal, it is not
    There is no debate as we’re going in circles. You have one standard for yourself and another for
    anyone who doesn’t agree. Makes it kind of hard to be objective or productive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Tractor View Post
    Those forums are more media/video etc inclined.
    That’s nice, but it doesn’t make it TRUE. They aren’t scientific articles, just more forums. I agree that the advise on specialist forums is more likely to be useful and accurate but it’s not an absolute by any means. Using your logic, please prove what they say is more reliable that what is posted on this forum since you brought it up.

    This is all assuming we're still debating about Nero verification being pointless.

    EDIT: Although I will acknowledge your links have justified why I added the caveat that it's not a guarantee. Do I claim Nero verification is a 100%, be all and end all verification test? No. I've known about its shortfalls for same time but it doesn't impact my daily usage.

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    Re: Failing to burn DVDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    Yes, but they don’t PROVE your argument.

    I am not trying to prove my argument, I am trying to find out why you and other in this thread class nero verify, faultless and non pointless. Did you read the post where I first posted links "pros and cons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    So now you're calling me a liar?
    Could you clear this up please, I reiterate I am not calling you a liar, by direct quote or between the lines, is that clear?



    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbait View Post
    There is no debate as we’re going in circles. You have one standard for yourself and another for
    anyone who doesn’t agree. Makes it kind of hard to be objective or productive.
    I have my scanning method, but I am also open to new/"old"/working methods, which is why I requested some reading material on nero verify
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