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    SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    Anyone got experience and advice on backup of SBS2003 server over network? I need to backup every day and where possible, get the backup offsite. Currently using a USB backup but the server is locked away and a pain to get to daily. Ideally, a network solution would be good - backup device on my work desk and take it with me sort of idea...??

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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    Call the guys at webtapestry.net and ask about data stowaway, its really very good.
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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    Rang the number - says to hold then phone goes dead

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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Pazza View Post
    Rang the number - says to hold then phone goes dead
    yes, there was a dead switch in the coms room where the VoIP system is held. All fixed now, try them again
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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    A network failure in a cloud backup solution doesn't sound so great

    have a look at http://www.syan-uk.com/ too
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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Moby-Dick View Post
    A network failure in a cloud backup solution doesn't sound so great
    This!

    Nothing like no redundancy

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    Is CrashPlan for business an option?

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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Moby-Dick View Post
    A network failure in a cloud backup solution doesn't sound so great

    have a look at http://www.syan-uk.com/ too
    no, it was the switch in the office that does the phone system for the sales guys.
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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    Don't personally like cloud solutions for backing up SBS. Especially not ideal for Exchange datastores if they are huge.

    And if you ever need to do data recovery you have to wait for all your recovery data comes back down the pipe.

    Old-School backup tape and Backup Exec would be what I would generally advise or Acronis True Image and USB hard disks.

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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by gss03 View Post
    Old-School backup tape and Backup Exec would be what I would generally advise or Acronis True Image and USB hard disks.
    Currently, I use USB HD with in-built windows SBS2003 backup utility. You mention other tools - is the SBS2003 backup utility not good?

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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    SBS built in backup isn't bad as such, but you may have better functionality from a 3rd party solution.
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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Pazza View Post
    Currently, I use USB HD with in-built windows SBS2003 backup utility. You mention other tools - is the SBS2003 backup utility not good?
    Surely you cannot call a USB drive a backup solution?

    I have RAID5/RAID0 arrays on my PC backing up to another RAID5 [NAS] and my NAS is replicated over iSCSI to OF box - all that at home...

    I suppose not every business has critical data on their servers...

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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    Multiple removable drives are no less reliable than a tape. Its easy to scoff at someone elses setup but quite often there are budgetry constraints.

    Note that I said multiple drives - use a rotation of them , dont rely on a single drive. Its a more than workable solution , but personally I'd go for a belt and braces setup. As well as a Disk to disk backup like sppon has - make sure you have an offsite copy so that when someone breaks in and steals all your servers , you have 2 or 3 versions of your data held offsite somewhere.

    If you dont have much data ( and believe it or not , not everybody has petabytes of business critical data ) then an offsite backup is perfect - why not combine it with a cloud based mail archiver so the volume of mail databases isn't as much of an issue. How big is the business , and how much data do you need to back up.

    Have you an agreed recovery point with your manager ? I'f he's accepted the risk of you only taking a single backup offiste everyday then its not you thats going to loose your job should you need to a restore and the USB drive dies - however you should avoid putting you or your manager in that situation , by having some reliable backups That you test ! there are few worse things in life than a backup that you can't restore, be it disk , tape or carved wax tablet! If nessesary build yourself a disaster recovery SBS box on a Vm somewhere with the same domain name etc and periodically test those restores from your primary box. This will give you confidence in your chosen solution. Personally I hate tape backups , I've been burnt too many times and had too many late nights due to missing tapes and tapes that just won't work I favour a 2 tier strategy in my environment , which being virtual I can take a machine level backup to disk which is then replicated to my secondary site , I then also use a different product for critical files to backup to a different SAN and replicate to Tape , which is then stored offsite - this may be overkill for your needs
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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    Good advice Moby, can I just ask what you use to create the vhd image (disk2vhd?) and critial files backups? I don't actually have a manager as such, just a small outfit where I do the server - more of a learning curve for me than anything. Creating the vhd and testing once a week sounds interesting. Also, only critial data we need to backup are emails. Although, I am thinking of making use of sharepoint soon.

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    I run a large VMware estate (2000+ servers ) but for P2V conversions I use Vmware converter , so I'm afraid I dont have a lot of exposure to the microsoft tools. you might have a few key things you'll have to deal with then doing a p2v though ( like stripping out drivers from the physical hardware + injecting the virtualised drivers etc. ) VM Level backups are done using Veeam Backup & Replication , with Microsoft System Center Data Protection Manager for the file level backups.

    Ok with your mail strategy, so you know if your users are making any use of PST's ? that can really play havoc with mail recovery , especially if the PST isn't being backed up.

    I've done a little bit of a hunt and while it may not be the cheapest solution in the market there is a cloud backup solution offered by MTI ( who I've delt with before and they know their stuff )

    http://www.mti.com/CloudBackup/tabid...B/Default.aspx

    as with any "cloud" backup solution, that initial backup is going to be painfull , but I have a feeling they supprt whats called a backup seeding process , where you take a local copy to USB drive for example , send it to them and its only the changed data that gets backed up.

    Sharepoint backups are interesting as all of the content is held in a SQL database - object level restores ( particularly in SBS2003 ) are a real pain in the backside.

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/829112

    essentially you can only backup and restore the whole site...
    Sharepoint 2007 is a much better bet - the good news is that you can install it on SBS 2003

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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    yes, I think at webtap if you send the files over they will upload them for you from the datacentre.

    I would like to say that I don't actually work for these guys but I have seen their racks across a few datacentres in thr UK.
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    Re: SBS2003 offsite backup solutions

    If there are budgetary restraints then look at backup assist as another product to do backups.

    Unless you have a fat pipe to a datacentre to push your data to each night you need took at something more in-house. LTO2/3 drives from dell (last time I looked) were about £1200+VAT. Tapes are £20ish each. Backup Exec for SBS about £400.

    If you think about it.....you either pay now for a robust backup solution....or pay many times over for a data recovery company to get it off a drive when its failed.
    *Then* there is the cost to the business when you have XX staff sitting about unable to work because all their work, email and other data is on the dead disk - then a backup solution isn't such an expensive thing to think about.

    The belt and braces approach would be to have Acronis/ Storagecraft doing 15 minute incremental backups over the course of the day to USB disk as well as the nightly to tape....but that'd be if you were to be overly pedantic and plenty of cash to spend.

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