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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party

    All IP address are dynamic but my laptop would always have the last number as 5, but today turned the xbox on and it had 5 and the laptop 6. This did not happen before! I have no idea why this is now happening as surely opening some ports and changing the xbox ip could not do this.


    The ip pool starting address ends with 2, and the end pool addresses ends with 100. Lease time is set as 'forever' which I thought would mean that the xbox would skip number, when there in use and also not in use. Is this just a worry over nothing?
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    Just had a thought- When I was trying to set an ip for the xbox I did use numbers over 100, so is that why it has all changed?

    Ok I know some may have given up reading this, but I do need help. I did change the pool range and then restarted the router, but that screwed it up and I have to got it going again. Now before friday the home pc had .3 as its last ip number, my laptop had .5, but now if one of those is not operating the xbox will take its number if that is the next in line (i.e xbox was 2, but now 3 due to home pc being off) Now this never happened before even when the home pc was off, as the xbox seemed to skip it. Any suggestions? The only things I changed in the router were the ports, and on the xbox it was the ip address and DNS- subnet and gateway stayed the same. I can't see how this has caused the current situation.

    Appreciate any help!

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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party

    OK, so after checking upnp was on, opening ports, setting ip for xbox- nothing changed anything. Last night a family member came on xbl and I invited him to my xbl party............he joined with no problem. The two friends I have had problems with joined the party then, but as soon as the family member left my two friends were kicked.

    The last thing I have to try is connecting direct to the modem (waiting for parents to go on holiday)

    But I am now 99.9999% sure the issue is not with me. VM say it snot them and microsoft will most likely say its not them, when I test it with a direct modem connection. But all this party issue since the recent xbl update

    Has anyone else come across this?

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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party

    I've not noticed it. I've never heard of this sort of problem with VM. Like I said in another thread some ISPs (very few in this country AFAIK) put their customers behind NAT so they don't have to pay as much to use public IPs but VM don't do that. There's a possibility it's a routing problem of some sort but VM usually fix stuff like that very quickly. Reading all of your posts I'd be pointing towards your router, it seems the only logical thing.

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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party

    Quote Originally Posted by watercooled View Post
    I've not noticed it. I've never heard of this sort of problem with VM. Like I said in another thread some ISPs (very few in this country AFAIK) put their customers behind NAT so they don't have to pay as much to use public IPs but VM don't do that. There's a possibility it's a routing problem of some sort but VM usually fix stuff like that very quickly. Reading all of your posts I'd be pointing towards your router, it seems the only logical thing.
    Other posts I have seen show similar issues to mine. Some people were fine up until the update happened. Other have had issues where the update was dl, but still each time they log on there asked to dl it again. The disk load from cold is stuffed as well. Before the update if a game/dvd was in the xbox, it would immediately upon start up play that dvd/game.

    And how come I am able to connect to one friend in a party but not others? As I said i will connect the xbox to the modem in the new year, and see what happens.

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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party

    The way the party system works, if one or more people have 'Open NAT' they can relay the data to everyone else. If, however they leave then people with strict/moderate may not be able to connect properly to each other so the party falls apart. It also seems to happen spontaneously for some reason, usually when there are a fair few people in it. The update hasn't affected me in any way as far as I can tell though.

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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party

    I think I have determined what the issues with xbl party has been. Last night a friend of the friends I had issues with added me as a friend on xbl, I then sent a party invite which was accepted. We were able to talk and both remained in the party. The two friends I had problems with accepted an invite form me, and we were able to play black ops together and talk. Only thing was I was not able to join a black ops game, as it only took me not the party but with this new friend it was ok everyone followed. But I found out as well that the two friends I had problems with had a moderate NAT, and this new friend had an open NAT. Is it possible that the moderate NAT was causing the issue? And if so how come they were ok to join a party with there friend (who had open nat), but not with me.

    Now were in the process of trying to turn the NAT from moderate to open. Looking for a siemens gigaset se587 dsl, as they can't see anything saying upnp to enable.

    Oh and if anyone knows how to enable upnp on that router, could you please let me know. Its a router they got from tiscali.
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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party- New Info!!

    Yeah, that combination of open and moderate connections could cause that to happen. It's like this, Open can connect to anyone, Moderate can connect to Open or Moderate, Strict can only connect to Open.
    If UPnP was disabled, and if you've not set up manual port forwarding then NAT would almost certainly be Closed, not Moderate. Moderate usually implies the router doesn't do UPnP well, sometimes a firmware update might help, as might setting up manual port forwarding but if not then a new router is about the only thing - just check its compatibility before buying.

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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party- New Info!!

    Quote Originally Posted by watercooled View Post
    Yeah, that combination of open and moderate connections could cause that to happen. It's like this, Open can connect to anyone, Moderate can connect to Open or Moderate, Strict can only connect to Open.
    If UPnP was disabled, and if you've not set up manual port forwarding then NAT would almost certainly be Closed, not Moderate. Moderate usually implies the router doesn't do UPnP well, sometimes a firmware update might help, as might setting up manual port forwarding but if not then a new router is about the only thing - just check its compatibility before buying.

    So I should tell my friends (who live together) to maybe get a new router?
    I have looked around for their router but one of those provider branded ones- I suggested calling their ISP.


    I still don't understand how may nat is reported as open (both in black ops, and the xbox connection test), and yet I can't connect to my friend in a party (and same with them) without another being in the party first (that being the new friend I added from them). If moderate can connect to open then they should ok connecting to me.
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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party- New Info!!

    Ok so my friend changed his nat to open, but still not able to xbl party :| Although I can do so with a family member and also with one of their friends.

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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party- New Info!!

    It gets more puzzling-


    We all managed to join via another friend, but any game invite was met with 'the session is no longer available' I think the invite was for the black ops party- you know when you and your friends are highlighted in blue?

    No idea why such issues are happening

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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party- New Info!!

    Well I'm stumped TBH. In Black ops, in the multiplayer main menu, click options then press back. What does it say next to Connectivity Information? I have ABCDEFGHIJ, I think if any letters are missing it indicates some sort of problem.

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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party- New Info!!

    Quote Originally Posted by watercooled View Post
    Well I'm stumped TBH. In Black ops, in the multiplayer main menu, click options then press back. What does it say next to Connectivity Information? I have ABCDEFGHIJ, I think if any letters are missing it indicates some sort of problem.
    Yep got all those letter just there are . between each of them, and NAT is open with bandwidth at 1757Kbps. And geographical region is 35
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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party- New Info!!

    On the VM forums someone left a post on my thread, and when I looked at his recent posts found this:

    This problem has appeared in other forums where people are having the exact or similar problem to what I'm having. Everything working fine on Xbox live,online chat,in game chat etc fine then all of a sudden its stopped working,I can hear people but they can hardly hear me as I keep cutting up. Now, my NAT is open, always has been,I have tried different xboxes,headsets,wired and wireless setups,new controllers,connected direct to xbox hence cutting out the Router (so its not the router)...everything and this problem still exists,it has to be some sort of problem with Virgin,some update thats occured which has caused this?? Can anybody shed any light on this? I have even submitted a complaints form to Virgin and had no response??? Surely some of the Virgin workers out there have came across this problem and know whats happened??? Help....anyone??

    watercooled- On your router do you just have upnp enabled? or do you have ports opened and the xbox in the dmz to play it online?

    You said this before: "Yeah, that combination of open and moderate connections could cause that to happen. It's like this, Open can connect to anyone, Moderate can connect to Open or Moderate, Strict can only connect to Open.
    If UPnP was disabled, and if you've not set up manual port forwarding then NAT would almost certainly be Closed, not Moderate. Moderate usually implies the router doesn't do UPnP well, sometimes a firmware update might help, as might setting up manual port forwarding but if not then a new router is about the only thing - just check its compatibility before buying."

    By that do you mean if someone has a strict nat they can only connect to someone with an open nat? If so and saying my nat was strict (which the xbox test and black ops says its open), then I should be able to connect to my friends in a party as their nat is now open. At the moment it means we need other friends to be in the party, so that we can join and talk. And its odd that party invite only worked at certain point in the party last night.
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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party- New Info!!

    Sorry, do you mean what I posted has been put on the VM forums? If so, it wasn't me - I'm not a member.

    Well that's the definition of what open, moderate and strict mean. Maybe the CoD NAT test is different or doesn't test properly? Try the connection test on the Dashboard and see if that complains about anything. If everything says open then maybe it's some sort of routing problems in VM's network - especially if other people are complaining about it on their forums.

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    Re: Black Ops and XBOX live party- New Info!!

    Quote Originally Posted by watercooled View Post
    Sorry, do you mean what I posted has been put on the VM forums? If so, it wasn't me - I'm not a member.

    Well that's the definition of what open, moderate and strict mean. Maybe the CoD NAT test is different or doesn't test properly? Try the connection test on the Dashboard and see if that complains about anything. If everything says open then maybe it's some sort of routing problems in VM's network - especially if other people are complaining about it on their forums.
    I have done the xbxo test several times and everything is connected, and all circles are green. Whats annoying is that VM will only say its not their problem Guess I will have try a modem connection (not holding any hope for that)

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