Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 27

Thread: Opinion - Apple TV media player now available in UK. But why?

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,536
    Thanks
    15
    Thanked
    4 times in 3 posts

    Opinion - Apple TV media player now available in UK. But why?

    Apple's hard-disk-equipped network media player, Apple TV, is at last available in the UK, priced at £199 all up from the Apple Store.

    But why the company has decided to launch the product at all remains a mystery.

    It connects only to HD TV sets, so users are going to be restricted to watching low-res 320x240 pixels or 640x480 footage, bought from Apple or have to try to find and repurpose HD footage acquired elsewhere.

    Read this HEXUS.lifestyle opinion, then tell us if you can can think of something that Apple might have up its sleeve that we've missed.
    Last edited by Bob Crabtree; 26-03-2007 at 03:14 AM.

  2. #2
    mush-mushroom b0redom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Middlesex
    Posts
    3,465
    Thanks
    193
    Thanked
    369 times in 284 posts
    • b0redom's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Some iMac thingy
      • CPU:
      • 3.4Ghz Quad Core i7
      • Memory:
      • 24GB
      • Storage:
      • 3TB Fusion Drive
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nViidia GTX 680MX
      • PSU:
      • Some iMac thingy
      • Case:
      • Late 2012 pointlessly thin iMac enclosure
      • Operating System:
      • OSX 10.8 / Win 7 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 2713H
      • Internet:
      • Be+
    It's a good idea in principle IMHO, but it really needs to be able to support DivX before I'd consider getting one. Development on that appears to be progressing quite quickly, however.

    Assuming that it is made to work, however, I would think that this would be an ideal replacement for XMBC - smaller, quieter and able to output hidef.

  3. #3
    It's good to be bad pauldarkside's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Cornwall
    Posts
    2,930
    Thanks
    295
    Thanked
    378 times in 259 posts
    • pauldarkside's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS Maximus VI Hero
      • CPU:
      • Intel Core i7-4770K & Corsair Hydro H80i
      • Memory:
      • Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4x8GB) 1600MHz DDR3
      • Storage:
      • Corsair Force GS 128GB, Crucial M500 480GB, WD Black 4TB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti Superclocked
      • PSU:
      • Corsair Professional HX850W
      • Case:
      • Corsair Graphite 780T (White)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 8.1 Pro 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • Asus ROG Swift PG278Q
      • Internet:
      • BT Infinity @ 78Mbps
    At first glance it appears to be a lot of money for little return

  4. #4
    Moderator chuckskull's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    The Frozen North
    Posts
    7,713
    Thanks
    951
    Thanked
    690 times in 463 posts
    • chuckskull's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z77-D3H
      • CPU:
      • 3570k @ 4.7 - H100i
      • Memory:
      • 32GB XMS3 1600mhz
      • Storage:
      • 256GB Samsung 850 Pro + 3TB Seagate
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 980Ti Classified
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic M12 700W
      • Case:
      • Corsair 500R
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Asus VG278HE
      • Internet:
      • FTTC
    It's Apple, so long as it looks nice no-one really cares about the functionality

    It does look nice though.

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,536
    Thanks
    15
    Thanked
    4 times in 3 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by b0redom View Post
    It's a good idea in principle IMHO, but it really needs to be able to support DivX before I'd consider getting one. Development on that appears to be progressing quite quickly, however.

    Assuming that it is made to work, however, I would think that this would be an ideal replacement for XMBC - smaller, quieter and able to output hidef.
    I read somewhere (not on Apple's site, I hasten to add) - and really should have said about this in the opinion - that there is allegedly some kind of support for DivX.

    However, I tested this out as best as I could in the absence of having an Apple TV to try.

    How? By attempting to open within QT player a whole bunch of different DivX files - some with AVI tails, some with divx tails.

    With files having divx tails (which I could only access by choosing to view all files from within QT Player), I got an error message, "Error -2048: the file is not a movie file".

    I didn't get this message with files having avi tails but some simply wouldn't play and those that would play had no sound and no video.

    When QT Player was able to open a file, it offered the option to get some missing element - and if I accepted that, it took me to one of DivX's own web pages where I could download the free DivX goodies (including Codec and player).

    However, I already have all the latest DivX goodies installed (including some paid-for elements) and all seem to me fully up to date and working.

    Nonetheless, I downloaded and installed the DivX package on offer, accepting that there was a possibility this might actually mess up my current installation.

    Result - er, it seems to have messed up my DivX installation!

    I'm still investigating that, though!

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,536
    Thanks
    15
    Thanked
    4 times in 3 posts
    Did a re-install of some other (paid for) DivX elements, followed by a reboot (why is that necessary for goodness sake?) and DivX now seems to be back to normal.

    Still unable to play any DivX files in QT player and, as I have now realised, also unable to import them into iTunes - of which I have the very latest version installed.

  7. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    London
    Posts
    116
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts
    Hopefully this product will break Apple's arrogance enough to make them realise they are not as good as they think they are - after all, not everybody wants an iPod!
    The world is a great big Onion - try to cut it, and you are likely to cry...


  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Brisbane
    Posts
    612
    Thanks
    20
    Thanked
    35 times in 22 posts
    • toolsong's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS P7P55D EVO
      • CPU:
      • i7 860 @ 3.8 GHz
      • Memory:
      • 2 x 4GB Corsair Vengeance
      • Storage:
      • SSDs
      • Graphics card(s):
      • GTX970
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic X650
      • Case:
      • Antec P180
      • Operating System:
      • Win7 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell U2515H
      • Internet:
      • Fibre @ 100/40
    I see on the Inq that this box has already been hacked to play Xvid

    http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38498

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,536
    Thanks
    15
    Thanked
    4 times in 3 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by moby_matt View Post
    Hopefully this product will break Apple's arrogance enough to make them realise they are not as good as they think they are - after all, not everybody wants an iPod!
    I'm not quite sure why why articles like this should make people react in such an anti-Apple way.

    I wrote it genuinely believing that Apple would struggle to sell the product in anything like the volume it would have achieved if it had supported SD and also if the company had made available some HD content for owners of HD TV sets to play through it.

    I was, therefore, sort of wondering aloud why the product had even been launched right now and was rather hoping that folk would pile in explaining that I'd missed something screamingly obvious.

    Don't get me wrong, Steve Jobs and Apple do come over to me as arrogant at times, but so, too, do Microsoft and its top people; Intel and its top people; and a whole lot of other top firms and their top people - though certainly not all firms and certainly not all the time.

    With that out of the way, does anyone have any clues about what Apple might actually be thinking it's going to achieve with Apple TV?

  10. #10
    Almost in control. autopilot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Region 2
    Posts
    4,071
    Thanks
    51
    Thanked
    12 times in 11 posts
    Credit where credits due, you don't half follow up you articles well mate. I can see this thread becoming another one like the Evesham iplayer thing! Fair play to ya Bob.

    Shame i have no interest in this product what so ever!

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,536
    Thanks
    15
    Thanked
    4 times in 3 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by toolsong View Post
    I see on the Inq that this box has already been hacked to play Xvid

    http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38498
    Trouble, is, the place where this is all being detailed - the somethingawful forums - makes it quite clear that they're only at the start of the process.

    Nonetheless, it's genuinely fascinating to see this all rolling out over a period of a few days with lots of people pitching in with tips and help.

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,536
    Thanks
    15
    Thanked
    4 times in 3 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by autopilot View Post
    Credit where credits due, you don't half follow up you articles well mate. I can see this thread becoming another one like the Evesham iplayer thing! Fair play to ya Bob.

    Shame i have no interest in this product what so ever!
    Thanks for the kind words - truth is, though, that since I don't have an Apple TV to experiment with and review, I can see me personally driving the thread along with interesting revelations as happened with the Evesham iplayer thread.

    On which subject, I see that the stock level at Evesham of the iplayer remains above 200 (it's currently at 211), so I'm wondering how long it will be before it creeps down below 200.

    Must remember to keep an eye on that!

    As for your having no interest in the Apple TV - I kind of suspect that that's going to be a bit a more general viewpoint and likely to cause the company a bit of grief.

  13. #13
    Almost in control. autopilot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Region 2
    Posts
    4,071
    Thanks
    51
    Thanked
    12 times in 11 posts
    Yes, it's just like a watered down version of what plenty of devices on the market already do, albeit with itunes integration. And what it does do, it does not do particularly brilliantly. I'm not an Apple hater and im not intending to bash them, but do I think its just another example of how un-innovative Apple have become of late. Watching Steve Job's on stage gushing about the iPod's new game playing abilities should drive that message home; wow, games? really? how incredible The Airport Express would be another example of a device that really does not cut the mustard, not even close, yet if we stick an Apple logo on it hopefully it will sell.

    It will all depend on how the hacking/modding community take to it, and also how Apple react to them. A fine example fo this is the Topfield 5800PVR, they took a very mediocre Freeview PVR and turned it into the best on the market by miles.
    Last edited by autopilot; 27-03-2007 at 09:26 AM.

  14. #14
    Lovely chap dangel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Cambridge, UK
    Posts
    8,398
    Thanks
    412
    Thanked
    459 times in 334 posts
    • dangel's system
      • Motherboard:
      • See My Sig
      • CPU:
      • See My Sig
      • Memory:
      • See My Sig
      • Storage:
      • See My Sig
      • Graphics card(s):
      • See My Sig
      • PSU:
      • See My Sig
      • Case:
      • See My Sig
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • See My Sig
      • Internet:
      • 60mbit Sky LLU
    That's assuming that Apple would ever allow third-party mods on their products (without reaching for their litigation department's phone number..).
    Crosshair VIII Hero (WIFI), 3900x, 32GB DDR4, Many SSDs, EVGA FTW3 3090, Ethoo 719


  15. #15
    Almost in control. autopilot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Region 2
    Posts
    4,071
    Thanks
    51
    Thanked
    12 times in 11 posts
    Probably depends if they see the hackability increase sales. They dont really need to officially endorse it, just be a bit more relaxed about leaving it open enough for hackers to truly exploit it. A lot of companies do that, although officially they don't support it for legal reasons etc.

    Although the iPod has had plenty of custom firmware for it, i believe they have been pretty anal about the iPhone, so we will have to see. Although the iPhone is a different kettle of fish to be fair.

    The strange thing is that if Apple really pulled their fingers out they could storm the Streamer/PVR market.
    Last edited by autopilot; 27-03-2007 at 09:38 AM.

  16. #16
    Will work for beer... nichomach's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Preston, Lancs
    Posts
    6,137
    Thanks
    564
    Thanked
    139 times in 100 posts
    • nichomach's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3
      • CPU:
      • AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 95W
      • Memory:
      • 16GB DR3
      • Storage:
      • 1x250GB Maxtor SATAII, 1x 400GB Hitachi SATAII
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Zotac GTX 1060 3GB
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster 500W
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster Elite 430
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 20" TFT
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media Cable
    Quote Originally Posted by autopilot View Post
    Probably depends if they see the hackability increase sales. They dont really need to officially endorse it, just be a bit more relaxed about leaving it open enough for hackers to truly exploit it. A lot of companies do that, although officially they don't support it for legal reasons etc.
    Either that, or they sit back, wait to see if the idea has any traction and then co-opt it, just like they did with Bootcamp. Also, it's worth seeing http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03...tv_and_sd_tvs/ - apparently Apple TV DOES support SD, as long as the TV has component inputs; or you can use a component to RGB converter.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Media Player decoder
    By mog17 in forum Help! Quick Relief From Tech Headaches
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 12-12-2006, 11:49 PM
  2. Replies: 12
    Last Post: 13-09-2006, 11:09 PM
  3. Keeping Windows Media Player minimized?
    By Parm in forum Software
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 12-07-2006, 09:52 PM
  4. Need a media player...
    By yamangman in forum Software
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 28-10-2004, 08:45 PM
  5. Media Player vs processor
    By dansiviter in forum Software
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 27-09-2003, 02:19 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •