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22-01-2008, 11:14 AM
HEXUS

Web user claims early look at Windows 7

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Whether a new Microsoft OS lives up to its billing or disappoints, the hype surrounding it is always nothing short of enormous. Though no release date is known for Microsoft's forthcoming OS, could this be the first review of Windows 7 Build 6.1.6519.1?

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22-01-2008, 11:39 AM
lost eden

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The system is very responsive, using barely 480MB of memory after boot.

That made me laugh. My Archlinux install barely uses a third of that.
22-01-2008, 11:54 AM
kalniel

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Originally Posted by lost eden

That made me laugh. My Archlinux install barely uses a third of that.

But with memory at 20 quid for 2gb or whatever who cares?
22-01-2008, 12:19 PM
chiman

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Originally Posted by kalniel

But with memory at 20 quid for 2gb or whatever who cares?

May I say that you're missing the point.

In my humble opinion, you are aiming to design an OS or computer application to be 'lighter' and 'efficient'.

Any bloated software is a sign of lack of focus by the creator(s).
22-01-2008, 12:31 PM
TheAnimus

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As the driver model is ment to be the same as vista, he should be able to use existing drivers. Given that its a milestone build, these often have drivers ommited (reduce complexity).

As for the memory useage, this is often a lot higher than normal, because of extended information, this is often the case in Beta's. Also bear in mind this isn't due out for a long time yet, so 4 gig of RAM will be the normal, caching apps, stored logically on the disk as one navigates the start menu makes sense (and eats RAM!).

Beta OS's are normally super dull
22-01-2008, 01:31 PM
kalniel

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Originally Posted by chiman

May I say that you're missing the point.

In my humble opinion, you are aiming to design an OS or computer application to be 'lighter' and 'efficient'.

Any bloated software is a sign of lack of focus by the creator(s).

I'm not sure I'd agree that having a larger memory footprint neccessarily equates to bloated software. If a larger footprint results in a better experience for the user then it would be preferable.

I doubt memory footprint is the only reason that linux affectionados chose the way of the penguin, and I expect many Windows users rate their user experience higher on things Microsoft despite the hardware demands.
22-01-2008, 01:57 PM
chiman

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Originally Posted by kalniel

I'm not sure I'd agree that having a larger memory footprint neccessarily equates to bloated software. If a larger footprint results in a better experience for the user then it would be preferable.

I doubt memory footprint is the only reason that linux affectionados chose the way of the penguin, and I expect many Windows users rate their user experience higher on things Microsoft despite the hardware demands.

A fair point.
However, the 'relatively' low uptake of Vista numbers say it otherwise...
22-01-2008, 02:41 PM
Troopa

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Dammit..

The more stories i hear like this, the more i feel like a prize idiot for buying vista ultimate.

Presumably windows 7 will run directx 11 or 12 or something like that so we will need to buy that os to take advantage of new games.

Microsoft just want a slice of the hardware market. There pc hardware is generally low budget and so they will keep bringing out os's so its an essential upgrade like a new cpu/gpu..
22-01-2008, 02:53 PM
this_is_gav

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Originally Posted by chiman

A fair point.
However, the 'relatively' low uptake of Vista numbers say it otherwise...

The slow uptake of Vista hasn't got anything to do with speed, but with the fact that it offers little-to-nothing for the average user, and most businesses won't touch it until SP1 is out and thoroughly tested and Server 2008 is solid (the combination is apparently quite a nice one).
22-01-2008, 02:58 PM
TheAnimus

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Originally Posted by chiman

May I say that you're missing the point.

In my humble opinion, you are aiming to design an OS or computer application to be 'lighter' and 'efficient'.

Any bloated software is a sign of lack of focus by the creator(s).

Depends what your trying to do, i'm trying to request a 24GB ram'd app server for this new calculation service i'm (painfully slowly) developing.

By intentionally keeping data in RAM, i can access it a lot quicker than if i spool it too a disk (like i do at present) i can also, with waste of about a factor 2, improve the speed of our results by double. (ie by making it 24gig, instead of 8, i can hold more than the user would want, but get that extra data.)

not all memory is wasted.
22-01-2008, 03:15 PM
chiman

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Originally Posted by TheAnimus

Depends what your trying to do, i'm trying to request a 24GB ram'd app server for this new calculation service i'm (painfully slowly) developing.

By intentionally keeping data in RAM, i can access it a lot quicker than if i spool it too a disk (like i do at present) i can also, with waste of about a factor 2, improve the speed of our results by double. (ie by making it 24gig, instead of 8, i can hold more than the user would want, but get that extra data.)

not all memory is wasted.

True. In the server world, to be able to have more memory capacity configuration for the server is an increasingly important option. For example, many developers are toying and experimenting the idea of putting the entire database in the memory for faster access.

But having more memory on a computer is not the issue here.
22-01-2008, 03:19 PM
chiman

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Originally Posted by this_is_gav

The slow uptake of Vista hasn't got anything to do with speed, but with the fact that it offers little-to-nothing for the average user, and most businesses won't touch it until SP1 is out and thoroughly tested and Server 2008 is solid (the combination is apparently quite a nice one).

I agreed up to a point.
I suspect many of the users out there do expect a much-needed performance boost with the Vista SP1 when compare to XP.
22-01-2008, 04:21 PM
Rolphus

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Originally Posted by chiman

For example, many developers are toying and experimenting the idea of putting the entire database in the memory for faster access.

I realise it's a huge tangent, but devs have been doing this for years at various levels. That's what caching's all about.
22-01-2008, 04:52 PM
TheAnimus

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Originally Posted by chiman

True. In the server world, to be able to have more memory capacity configuration for the server is an increasingly important option. For example, many developers are toying and experimenting the idea of putting the entire database in the memory for faster access.

But having more memory on a computer is not the issue here.

Sorry, the point i'm trying to make is i'm wasting a lot of this memory.

To provide a little speed increase.

Given the price of RAM, its really worth it.
22-01-2008, 06:47 PM
gamer91

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so vista is so bad, the devs have given up all hope on fixing it (sp1 anyone?), and started afresh?
22-01-2008, 07:21 PM
Funkstar

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Windows 7 will be by a different Dev team. Both Vista and Win7 (and perhaps Win8 too) will be developed in conjunction. Features that were dropped from Vista will have migrated on to Win7, perhaps taking some of those developing that feature into the other Dev team (WinFS is a good example of this).

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