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    Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    John Lilly thinks that including Safari as a default download with latest iTunes and QuickTime updates is wrong.
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    Poll: software updates

    Let us know what you think about Apple's decision to add a Safari download to its iTunes and QuickTime update - and to select it as a default.

    You can select more that one option in the attatched poll.
    Last edited by Scott B; 25-03-2008 at 12:20 AM.

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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    I had that the other day...

    I was really annoyed with it since I don't use it... the worst thing is even if you deselect it and only update iTunes/Quicktime it still comes back saying you have a piece of software to update... it's damn annoying.

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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    I have to agree i think its sneaky but this kind of thing has sneaked into a lot of software in one form or other over the years, Eg google's ever growing list of tools and all the crap that comes with msn live messenger nowadays. The difference of the box is actually ticked as default with the apple update is the thing which separates it.

    Personally i hate using apple software on windows, it has always been problematic for me and i have always tried to use the alternatives. For someone like me who now only uses quicktime as the alternative codecs dont seem to work with editing software and refuses to have itunes or safari... i see it as malware. Why do apple seem to think they have THE RIGHT to have their software on your computer?

    On my macbook of course it is a little different though

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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    Very sneaky, this attitude of boxes being ticked by default (not just in this case, but on lots of software installers/updaters) needs to stop. Apple software is bad enough on Windows, installing services and system tray icons that don't need to be there. They're just making themselves look worse.

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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    Microsoft get massive fines for including media player in windows do they not? Why not apple?

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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    It appeared on my PC, really irritated me. The solution is to remove all apple software so it doesn't pop up, then their sneaky scheme will have backfired.

    Anyone recommend some good alternatives to iTunes + Quicktime? I don't like either of them anyway...

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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    quick time alternative which can be dl'd from not sure about itunes tho

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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    if your just using itunes to add stuff to your ipod i believe you can use winamp instead, my mate uses winamp for this and has no complaints, also theres a program out there called ephpod which is fairly similar looking to itunes and does the ipod job quite well, not used it in a long time though, proberly because i dont own an ipod

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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    Quote Originally Posted by rainsong View Post
    Anyone recommend some good alternatives to iTunes + Quicktime? I don't like either of them anyway...
    I agree that Quicktime alternative is good

    As for itunes alternative, it depends on what you use itunes for. If it just for transfering to ipod, then there are loads of alternatives, I liked anapod explorer (not free) but there are free ones too; sharepod worked well for me and looks like its worth a try too. Better still ditch the crappy apple firmware and use rockbox if you are lucky enough to have a device that supports it. With rockbox you don't need anything to transfer songs onto your device

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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    Quote Originally Posted by YorkieBen View Post
    Microsoft get massive fines for including media player in windows do they not? Why not apple?
    Because Apple isn't a monopoly.

    If a piece of software tries to be bigger than its boots, I get mightily pissed off with it. iTunes itself is a floundering piece of bloatware that I stay away from, so I've not had to deal with the Safari 'update'.
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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    I bought Anapod for my shuffle, being so pissed off with iTunes crap trying to make me convert / save everything into acc format. For me the interface wasn't intuative either.

    Anapod website here

    Has a free trial version and various packages for the different iPods ranging from £10 to £15 (for universal edition)

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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    @Steve
    Yeah Apple is not a monopoly, but they are doing most of the same practices that got people p*****d at Microsoft for doing and ones that got Microsoft sued. Just because they own a tiny amount of the Computer market share does not mean they should be exempt of gettin a good kicking for trying to force software onto people who more than likely don't want it!
    And before anyone says it, Microsoft deserves alot of the fines n things they get, but it should not be a different rule for a smaller company, just smaller fines that are like a certian percentage of their total worth. (I dont know the true figures and these are completely wrong but say Microsoft is worth £10million and Apple is worth £5million, sue them for something like 5% of that total, not £2million each as thats not fair for Apple)
    It really gets to me that Apple (And other companies!) can get away with things like this without anyone at least complaining when other companies get sued!
    I think Apple should at least get a warning for forcing its software onto people and trying to get you to install it without realising (like this case).
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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    Apple are a monopoly in the DAP market, if it wasn't for the bundling of WMP I am sure iTunes would be a monopoly as well. Hence why these moves seem so similar to Microsoft's.

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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    Quote Originally Posted by rainsong View Post
    It appeared on my PC, really irritated me. The solution is to remove all apple software so it doesn't pop up, then their sneaky scheme will have backfired.

    Anyone recommend some good alternatives to iTunes + Quicktime? I don't like either of them anyway...

    J rivers media centre
    is very similar to i-tunes but in some ways its much better. Its lighter on resourcs, can attach many different mp3 players too it, has features to allow for watching tv using your tv card, can play all kinds of video formats, doesnt convert your files by default and a built in media thing like front row/windows media centre.

    Its not free but its definately worth the money.

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    Re: Headlines - Mozilla CEO slams Apple Safari move

    The problem with QT alternative is that it hasn't been updated in ages, so isn't hugely useful for us. We have no real option but to make QT available for some users, and I was mightily ****ed off when Apple shoved iTunes into the download for QT - with the default being that you got it installed. Including Safari as well is just ridiculous, although utterly predictable. In fact, hang on a mo', I DID predict it, albeit with incredibly inept photochoppery...
    Last edited by nichomach; 25-03-2008 at 12:31 PM.

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