Read more.Revenue grew 43 percent year-on-year to $7.5 billion on the back of 54 percent revenue growth for Macs.
Read more.Revenue grew 43 percent year-on-year to $7.5 billion on the back of 54 percent revenue growth for Macs.
Could this be signs of a consumer Vista backlash? God knows that Apple computers are still highly priced, perhaps people just want a PC to work for them for a change.
It would be nice to know that we can still make our cumulative voice heard when utterly let down and pretty much lied to my a huge corporation, wouldn't it?
I suspect it is a bit of Vista and also the fact Apple have this huge iPod install base and they are coming of age - maybe looking at notebooks and naturally making the 'swtich'
It would still be nice to have a third party, to keep the others on their toes (and to give users another alternative to Windows). Not that I'm a Linux-head, I guess this has the most potential to do so.
Is there anybody really pushing Linux commercially?
I'm sure it'd be nice to pat MS on the back for increasing Apple sales but I can't see that being remotely true. Or isn't it enough for Apple products to sell well because of their own merits? Oh the horror!
For the record - going Apple isn't 'sticking it to the man' - it's just swapping one for another. If you want to make such a statement i'd suggest linux is a better way of doing it.
It would still be nice to have a third party, to keep the others on their toes (and to give users another alternative to Windows). Not that I'm a Linux-head, I guess this has the most potential to do so.
Is there anybody really pushing Linux commercially?
Relax Dangle (if indeed this isn't a tautology).
I am and have been a fiercely loyal Mac user for many years, who sees a great deal of merit in all that Apple does. Mac Computers and OS have always been superior in looks, feel and user-friendliness. The jump in computer sales now, during a time of turmoil for Windows, MAY WELL BE a large part of the reason. Don't write it off so quickly.
That's just answering your first paragraph. Your second deserves no answer, it misses the point by some distance.
What operating systems have you run over the years? What are you using now and why?
Are you a tech savvy person or an average user?
.... It is interesting when you go in to places like John Lewis, PCWorld and understand what consumers are faced with when making the buying decision.
You could liken it to a minefield - go in to Jewsons and buy some screws - so many options and really understanding what you want/marketing/brands/and such is how most people would decide, and on a corporate side people buy dependent on policy or other 'needs'
Good question. In my case Mac & Win, Mac (because I can work out how to do what I want more easily) and I am an "averagely tech savvy" user (just to be difficult).
My opinion is that a new consumer will go with what is most common place and most marketed and others will, on the whole, stick with what they know. What existing/established PC users are faced with now is a near-enforced change of OS and, seeing as the one they're being pushed into basically doesn't work, the other options appear more valid than they would have done if the Vista launch had been anything less that disastrous.
Would you agree?
Was all calm when I wrote it - but i'll warn you, the coffee is in front of me now..![]()
No kidding? I didn't at all get that in your OP. Chortle.
I'll go for the former point for sure - but the others are purely opinion versus fact in all honesty. And well you're entitled to said opinion
Turmoil.. You know, you'd believe that if you sat and read the press, right? If you look at the sales numbers it's a different story of course - it's selling rather well. In fact, better than it's predecessor by all accounts. Inconvenient truth? Every release of Windows has seen "turmoil" in recent years - Win2k was a sack of poo on release and so was XP if you go back and read the press.
It's far more likely to be a result of Apple products being pretty darn good (and not so bad value thesedays as they once were), being able to run Windows and (as DR said) the halo effect of their mass market devices (iPod/iPhone). Then there's the basic fact that PC sales are on the up market-wide..
So educate me. If you've good point i'm more than willing to listen.
True. I agree entirely.
The problem with your arguement is that Vista DOES work - I know you don't want to hear it but i've got a stack of Vista PCs all running just fine and dandy. As do a lot of people. The pain of the Vista launch was really driver-based in the main (but I agree with their decision at least technically) rather than Vista being fundementally flawed (it's proved not to be). The last update of OSX wasn't exactly 'bug free' now was it? Apple fixed the problems, MS did too (but of course had the added nasty of being at the mercy of third-party drivers and the lethargic update of said) - so nothing new, right?
I'd quite happily buy an Apple laptop - not because i'm desperate for an alternative - but because I rather like OSX and I can (also) run Vista on it. They look cool too - and with the exception of the Air are pretty practical. The reason I don't is because I can't justify the cost and I can't persuade our corporate types away from their heavily discounted HP-deal in the workplace (and how I wish I could believe me). My sister, who works in the media, has a macbook - but then she's a freelancer and can choose whatever she wants (and it really doesn't matter what OS you choose when you're just sat writing copy).
Not always - sometimes they go on what they know or a specific function a good example is wanting a 'Centrino' notebook when really they need a notebook with Wireless networking.
I assume that you have a Vista system at home? What is your take and experience? Also how are you judging the launch as disastrous?
What fun... Well, I have to concede that in my post I must be construed as "putting in for it" but I wanted to have some laughs (hence the deliberate misspelling of Dangel). Apologies if I have overdone it.
I still believe that there has been no great change in Mac products to cause this jump in sales and that the perceived differences (if not superiority) with a PC windows setup has not changed significantly in years. Musn't we therefore bare in mind windows cock-ups as contributory factors???
The argument about sales of Vista would be, I imagine, undermined by the fact that PCs are and have been shipping with the software and there are more PCs being sold these days. Might this be the case?
I'm sure that these too would be contributory factors but the change just seems a little sudden.It's far more likely to be a result of Apple products being pretty darn good (and not so bad value thesedays as they once were), being able to run Windows and (as DR said) the halo effect of their mass market devices (iPod/iPhone).
My point about Linux is that if the hypothetical PC user had two other viable alternatives we could really start seeing some action in the PC industry.
I hope that none of the above has send the percolator bubbling once more![]()
I don't think the launch has been disastrous, but I can see why many people will think it has been. That perception alone may have been enough to drive some people into the arms of Apple when they were thinking of replacing their XP machine.
I do not use Vista at home but come across it a great deal at work and those of my colleagues, who would be considered very tech savvy, have installed and uninstalled more than once since its launch.I assume that you have a Vista system at home? What is your take and experience? Also how are you judging the launch as disastrous?
It seems to crash more often that you'd want even a new OS to, the latest update rendered many USB devices unusable (so I heard) and the first (badly needed by the sounds of things) SP release hasn't been released... still. In the meantime there is talk of a new SP for XP and the pushing forward of the new Windows OS to next year.
I appreciate that I have minimal first hand experience but if half of the hearsay is true then I think we could regard the release as disastrous couldn't we?
Deliberate? Nah... people do it all the time - i'm used to it (i've always been tempted by dangle anyway). I was having some fun with your own name to see if you noticedtoo..
Don't get me wrong - this is a forum and i'm interested in the debate inherent therein![]()
In all honesty, i'm also somewhat bored of reading how bad Vista is when it er.. isn't. I can't get round that - it works very well for me and both home and work (and at the latter i've plenty of colleagues who like it too - and we're all pretty tech savvy).
Perhaps. But singlemost unlikely. I think i'd also add to the pot that laptop sales are now the biggest market share - and on this front Apple appeal that bit more thesedays than they once did.
Difficult to say - you'd have to look a relative pc shipments from, say, when XP or 2K was launched. AFAIK though Vista is doing the goods for MS regardless - but as I said - you really wouldn't think that from the media-driven perception.
Yup, does really. But again, we're not seeing a relative depression in Windows sales (would we even see it given the relative market size differences?) to point to the 'Vista factor' as being the sole (or largest) driver behind mac sales. There's a lot of ipod and iphone owners out there though.
I think OSX/Linux have a big effect on MS already (they're a paranoid lot) in driving change on the Windows platform. Are either really likely to provide significant competion? Apple - not based on the current climate. Linux? Well that was supposed to have taken over years ago but still has a way to go to be all that friendly on the desktop and (as you said) it's just hard to sell it as an alternative when people are Windows indoctrinated.
I'm a cafetiere man myself![]()
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