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Doesn't look too great anymore... the hype was too much... So it matches a 8800 GTS or a GT depending on the game... That's hardly going to change the market :(
i was going to ask if thats why the review was a multi-parter :DQuote:
we've literally been caught with our pants down
reading time!
How about some different game benches? The hexus set ones always strike me as a little imbalanced.
I did post this earlier in the hardware section:
"Looking at some early benchmarks (link) for the 4850 its able to match the 8800 GT and the 9800 GTX cards but i am curious what the Nvidia GeForce 9800 GTX+ will offer into the mix."
DMC4 benchmark would be great too and its free :p
From the results so far, its basically an overclocked 8800gt.
Looks like a good card if the price is right
That's disappointing unless it is a driver issue.
I was hoping for so much more from the 4850... :(
me too, something up here... anyway hometime
What worries me slightly is that if its more expensive then an 8800gt, I don\'t see any point in buying it unless you wanted to do crossfire.
Well according to this french retailer they are pricing it at £120.00.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowmaster
These are all mid range benches with resolutions and settings to medium - at higher resolutions or settings the HD4850 may be shown in a more positive light relative to the competition.
hmmm little dissapointed but my breath will remain held for the full 4850 and 4870 reviews
Hmm, don't know what to make of this. I'm waiting to buy my parts, and have been holding out to see what AMD can deliver. I'm looking at top-end cards, in particular the 280, looking at these results I don't think there's much point in waiting around to see the 4870...
TechPowerUp and Tweaktown numbers show the card being alot better than those numbers show.
http://images.tweaktown.com/imageban...f4ghz_g_08.gif
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/14...sis/index.html
That's 2 x HD4850's in crossfire keeping up with a 280 - until silly resolutions.
Urk.
Remind me of the cost difference again?
Now rather interested to see how a 4870X2 works out :)
Hexus: what was your test setup/drivers?
Was hoping the 4870 would be a good replacment for my 8800GT to ru my 24" screen, doesnt look like it will :/
i can't believe i fell for the hype
the game would have been on if the 4850 was beat the 9800gt, it seems it can't even beat 8 series nvidia cards :s
I am a little confused, Specs wise it should be faster, and other sites have been posting faster scores?
Will be interesting to see how much of a boost GDD5 gives on the 4870.
Here is another review.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-at...--powercolor/1
So crossfire is needed to just edge out a 9800GTX, dissapointing, what are the 800SP's doing?
Im gonna wait on the 4870 X2 I think.
feels pretty potent IMO... single card will trade blows with a 9800GTX.. I think that's where AMD wants this card to be.. 9800GTX region..
AMD isn't worried about the 280 at all, its silly prices for not very much faster speeds. OK.. its fast but surely not £400 fast...
If they can get 4870 to slot nicely between 9800GTX and GTX260, then AMD have a winner there...
TBH, for the resolution I'll be playing on.. 260GTX is a good choice, but if AMD can get me 85% of its speed for 60% of its price then they will get my money!
I'd be inclined to disregard these figures - ATI card on an Intel mobo, NVidia cards on an NVidia mobo with an NVidia chipset!
Not exactly a balanced review. Why didn't they use all the cards on the Intel board?
I dunno the scores in this review seem to be a little low. Other sites seem to be higher although they were using the Cat 8.6 drivers. I'll wait till all the major sites get their reviews out.
Other reviews place the 9800GTX and HD4850 around the same in performance so something is not quite right here!
Have to agree with a few of the posts here suggesting that other reviewers have come out with some substantially more flattering numbers for this card.
If it can, as some reviews are suggesting, trade blows with the 9800GTX (which, considering the fact that nVidia has been scared into slashing the price of said card, may well be true) then for my money this looks the better card to buy.
If you ask me the red camp might just be shading it in this latest round of product releases...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_4850/ looks a lot better in this review, i do agree though that hexus should've tested all cards on the same setup :angst::)
TechPowerUp! used Catalyst 8.6
http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx
says this is .inf
"ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series" = ati2mtag_R7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9440
"ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series " = ati2mtag_R7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9442
well hexus where not stopped from using the newest drivers, were they? as i understand the Catalyst 8.6 was supposed to come out together with the 4000 series, lets hope nvidia can release good drivers as they promised
This card faired alot better in the other review I read, Beating out the 9800GTX which is probably more acurate since Nvidia are dropping the price of this card by alot and bringing out a pre-overclocked version aswell.
I've seen quite a few reviews now, and I would agree that its slightly more powerful then a 9800gtx, but the big question is how much will this card cost in the uk?
In the USA its $199 which equates to £100 but we never get USA prices. My bets on about £140 (which should go down to £130 in a couple of weeks) which makes it very competitive with the 9800gtx and 8800gts 512 :)
Well I hope the full Hexus review will use Catalyst 8.6 or later - given the (unsurprising) improvement over the sample driver - and push the card up to at least a resolution of 1920x1200.
I hope they start bringing out the more customised versions of the 4800 series much more quickly than they have with other series, that seems like one of their big weaknesses.
8.501-080602a-064790C-ATI (CAT 8.6) is an older build than the review driver 8.501.1-080612a-064906E-ATI (4800 sample driver).
Something definately doesn't look right with some of the numbers though (crysis in particular - which performs the same as a HD3850 512MB running CAT 8.6). We'll certainly look into it tomorrow, but it looks like either a driver issue, or perhaps the HD4850 only shines when more taxing settings are applied.
Hi, all,
I'm pulling this performance preview until we take another look at the numbers; something, clearly, is not adding up.
Come one Hexus; you can do better than this; than using old and terribly crippled driver plus some nearly useless settings to test a new generation of cards.
This results clearly do not reflect the actual performance of these cards. If I didn't know better then I would have throught that these were canned results from the NV marketing department used to smear the competition. Please do it right next time.
Nice one Tarinder.
How come you guys only do them benchmarks any way?
certainly for the best :) to to be honest the numbers should never have gone up with those kind of discrepancies...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarinder
better to take time over it than try and get SOMETHING out because everyone else is
Sensible choice Tarinder. I know AMD somewhat caught you off guard, but don't be in such a hurry next time! Hexus reviews are always the best and worth waiting for. Look forward to reading the full review :)
A harsh first post indeed... especially after the author said the results are being taken down!Quote:
Originally Posted by HardBall
ATI provided review driver - newer build than the public CAT 8.6Quote:
Originally Posted by HardBall
I agree that our standard midrange tests aren't adequate for testing these new 'midrange' cards. Thats why I've pushed for us to test using our high end benchmarks and setup. This will be done tommorrow, where judging by other results I'm expecting the HD4850 will fare rather better in comparison to the competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardBall
The results do however reflect the performance of these cards - in our standard benchmarks. Should you be looking to run these settings the results are valid.
However the HD4850 design seems designed for more taxing loads, and in our benchmarks I'd dare say most of its shader power is going untapped bottlenecked by other parts and as such increasing detail settings, resolution, AA etc. may have a relatively small decrease in frame rates making the card more attractive.
Our full review will of course explore these issues in more detail, however our first batch of testing was our standard 'midrange' (determined by pricepoint) benches.
Michael - Trained monkey, HEXUS performance labs.
no- one else seems to be using it though, which is strange. but come on, this NDA change came out of nowhere, sometime before now and the previous expiration ATI would have told everyone to use an 8.6 derived driver rather than the one that was sent out with the cards. i can see it being a case of bad timing and "caught with pants down" as Tarinder put it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by onewingedangel
wow looking at some of the other reviews posted... bring on the 3870!
Little dissapointed with hexus i must say. Im sure i can trust them to rectify :)
the fact you are here and posting that Biscuit does make me think the damage wasnt as severe as it could have been, the 48's are certainly entitles to a fair crack and no doubt hexus will provide that, but without the "Keeping up with the Joneses" attitude now.
time zone's mean you cant keep up with the yank sites, so its far better to not try and do your own thing instead. i would put more weight on a later but more concise review anyway.
:stupid:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarinder
Hi, thats good :)
keep up the good work, i know the etailers/retailers raped your guys this time around, but its kinda fun when the customers gets the cards first (nearly to) :bowdown
Surely the 4850 should be rivalling the gtx 260? Not previous gen cards...
Here are two more reviews comparing the 4850 to the 9800gtx+
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/1/
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...x+/default.asp
Generally so far the 4850 is as fast at the 9800gtx, but not as fast as the 9800gtx+ :(
hm, very early figures i've seen show the card running the same speed as a 8800gts under linux
http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx...avigationKey=0
117.87 exc postage :o
lol - I love how my graphics card which was £220 about 10 months ago, as now worth about £60.
...and that price we have a winner!
Edit:
With more serious thought though, this is not going to tempt me from my 8800GT just yet. Given its comparable to a 8800GTX/8800Ultra or within 10% better in some tests I can approximate it's 20% faster than my 8800GT and that just aint enough to warrant a graphics card change just yet. I want a 50% increase sub £200 before I change.
Having said that, for someone with a 7900 series, X1900 series or HD2*00 card this would be a very good value upgrade.
OMFG, that is cheap and the 4850 hits hard :D
Nvidia almost got caught with their pants down (and maybe still have judging by the early benchmarks out there).
Just means the hard earned cash of the 8800 Ultra is now...an expensive paperweight! lol! Hurrah!
Iv seen hexus make mistakes before and i will see them make them again, only human after all! I agree with the time zone thing but its clear Hexus are as anxious as we all are to see the results of these cards (= hexus' mistake and why im a little dissapointed)Quote:
Originally Posted by MadduckUK
people with 8800 GT and 3870 wait for 4870, thats where the speed is, heck the 4870 uses GDDR5 and is higher clocked and uses the same core :P
At that price, the 4850 suddenly looks much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadduckUK
I agree with the above, I am going to wait for the 4870, the 4850 is not that much better then my overclocked 8880gt, but the 4870 should be quite a bit better.
seen the 4870 listed @ scan pre-order for £240 , not as bad as i thought it would be priced tbh
edit : it has been removed now lol
Today I've been running the 9800gtx as a midrange card, and the 4850 as a high end card so you will all have a more fair and balanced comparison in Tarinder's main review. Needless to say the HD4850 doesn't dissapoint as the preliminary benchmarks indicated.
We've also recieved two HD4870s today which we'll test on monday.
Exciting times ahead for fans of the red team :)
mail me one, i'll do an editorial on ATI's apparent linux improvements. and an eqivalent nvidia, of course.
Ati can run well in lunux now? this may seal the deal if its true?Quote:
Originally Posted by directhex
well, the rumour is they don't suck, which is half the battle. the fact that there are 4000-series drivers today, and not after their usual 6-12 month new-gen-driver delay, is a good signQuote:
Originally Posted by Biscuit
nvidia's good linux drivers come in large part because they're developed simultanously with their windows drivers, and share a lot of code (e.g. 177.10 for linux was released to testers on the same day as 177.11 for windows)
or 38x0, the 4850 is like 70% faster than 3870, but me will wait for 4870 :P
Well although I was a little worried when I purchased my X1950XTX, as the 8800 came out within about 2 weeks of my purchase, it really served me well.
I just didn't see the point of buying anything else, as it has never let me down - quite the opposite.
Well worth the 300squids I shelled out. Now it'll find a continued purpose in my 2nd PC on the LAN.
These new ATi cards have left me no option - it's upgrade time!
Though I had initially set my sights on the GTX 260, it's gonna be another Big Red One sitting in my P180 for the next cuppla years :bowdown:
If the HD 4870 justifies the £200-odd - which is looking promising - it'll be that. Otherwise one or two 4850's, methinks.
The only thing that concerns me is the Physx issue. Big deal or not?
(and I gotta wait until Monday for your review??!! :crazy: )
HEY! Wait a minute.... does that mean.... TODAY?! :rockon:
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Originally Posted by Fraz
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Originally Posted by Michael H
Ah, didn't mean it to come out so harsh; sorry.
Just wanted to encourage Hexus to do it with more appropriate settings and benchmarks.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2116
was looking for early 4870 benchmarks, found that... i know its old but oh dear http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...ileys/spaz.gif
edit:http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=8075&Itemid=1
aww :( well thats bad news...
edit again: http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...d4870chart.gif courtesy of fudzila
must do some work :(
Tarinder and Michael H, when you do the big round up please could you include 3d marks and in game frame rates of the 9800gtx and upward with the new drivers (physx enabled).
Yeah id really liek to see how much physics actually affects it, none of this 'it will' stuff... heard it so many times from the lieks of graphics cards manufacturersQuote:
Originally Posted by SiM
Not liking the temps:
http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r.../731/temps.jpg
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...rce_9800_gtx+/
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/1/
Couple of good comparisons... 9800gtx+ and 4850 are very close, but the 9800gtx+ is slightly ahead and should pull further ahead when physx is properly implemented in games.
I really dont understand why physics will help the card perform, at the end of the day the cards are bottlenecked without using its time and power on physics so i would think that physiscs would slow it down? if the cpu are not going 100% load then why does the job from the cpu need to be diverted? the only way physicx processors were useful was because cpu's were not the best back then and so a dedicated item for that was useful now its just a dead weight. Care to enlighten me?Quote:
Originally Posted by SiM
(im really curious how it will work :P, not having a go just so u know.)
I haven't got a clue... I am just trying to hype it up a bit because everyone else is anti-hyping it... I reckon it will make a small difference...
The best thing to do is, forget what everyone (including me!) says about physx until its been properly reviewed... everything people is saying is speculation... so far all we know is that it adds some 3d marks (but who cares about 3d marks :p)
Fixed?* :pQuote:
Originally Posted by SiM
It doesn't even do that officially unless FM change their policy ;) But yes, your right, it needs to be reviewed in a sensible fashion, then we'll know for sure.Quote:
The best thing to do is, forget what everyone (including me!) says about physx until its been properly reviewed... everything people is saying is speculation... so far all we know is that it adds some 3d marks (but who cares about 3d marks :p)
*I'm jealous really - even your 'spare' card is much faster than my 1950xt :p
lol... I am happy with my purchase either way... I have been using it for the last 3 months so I am hardly bothered about price cuts...