Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 18

Thread: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    29,041
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1,868 times in 641 posts

    News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    A new metric for SSD speed measurement.
    Read more.

  2. #2
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    23
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    A couple more generations from now these things will be affordable and capacious enough to overtake mechanical HDDs. I can't wait to be able to afford stick one of these in my PS3.

  3. #3
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Carlisle
    Posts
    4,121
    Thanks
    504
    Thanked
    368 times in 278 posts
    • matty-hodgson's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Abit IP35 Dark Raider
      • CPU:
      • Q6600 @ 4GHz (59'C Under a TRUE Black)
      • Memory:
      • 4GB OCZ DDR2 890MHz (5-4-4-15)
      • Storage:
      • Intel 80GB - Games. Intel 80GB - OS. 1TB Samsung - Storage.
      • Graphics card(s):
      • NVIDIA Zotac GTX 275: 728 Core, 1614 Shader, 1340 Memory
      • PSU:
      • Enermax MODU82+ 625w
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Samsung SM2343BW (2048x1152)
      • Internet:
      • Smallworld 4Mbps

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    what gains would you get from sticking one in your PS3?

  4. #4
    Jay
    Jay is offline
    Gentlemen.. we're history Jay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Jita
    Posts
    8,364
    Thanks
    304
    Thanked
    568 times in 409 posts
    • Jay's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS P5Q Deluxe
      • CPU:
      • Intel Q6600 G0 @ 3.0GHz with Corsair H50
      • Memory:
      • 8GB Corsair XMS Pro DDR2 800MHz 5-5-5-12
      • Storage:
      • 128GB Crucial RealSSD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire VaporX HD4890 1GB
      • PSU:
      • 720W Enermax Infinity
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define R3 Black Pearl
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Samsung 22" 226BW V2 (3360 x 1050)
      • Internet:
      • O2 / Cisco ASA 5505

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    Hmmm 240GB. Tempting. I have started to use SSD for boot drives in my home servers, its well worth it.

    Did you know that the EVE Online cluster is all SSD?
    □ΞVΞ□

  5. #5
    SiM
    SiM is offline
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    London
    Posts
    7,787
    Thanks
    300
    Thanked
    633 times in 422 posts
    • SiM's system
      • Motherboard:
      • P5K Premium
      • CPU:
      • Q6600
      • Memory:
      • 8GB PC2-6400 OCZ ReaperX + Platinum
      • Storage:
      • 3 x 320gb HD322HJ single platter in Raid 0
      • Graphics card(s):
      • PNY GTX285
      • PSU:
      • Corsair TX650W
      • Case:
      • Antec 1200
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2407-HC

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    Quote Originally Posted by matty-hodgson View Post
    what gains would you get from sticking one in your PS3?
    About 15cm gain in epeen size

  6. #6
    I'm ITX
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Liverpool
    Posts
    2,415
    Thanks
    82
    Thanked
    159 times in 148 posts

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    Quote Originally Posted by SiM View Post
    About 15cm gain in epeen size

    It's 4.98*

  7. #7
    HEXUS webmaster Steve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Bristol
    Posts
    14,269
    Thanks
    286
    Thanked
    829 times in 469 posts
    • Steve's system
      • CPU:
      • Intel i3-350M 2.27GHz
      • Memory:
      • 8GiB Crucial DDR3
      • Storage:
      • 320GB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Intel HD3000
      • Operating System:
      • Ubuntu 11.10

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    I really hope vrpm doesn't catch on. It makes no sense.
    PHP Code:
    $s = new signature();
    $s->sarcasm()->intellect()->font('Courier New')->display(); 

  8. #8
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Carlisle
    Posts
    4,121
    Thanks
    504
    Thanked
    368 times in 278 posts
    • matty-hodgson's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Abit IP35 Dark Raider
      • CPU:
      • Q6600 @ 4GHz (59'C Under a TRUE Black)
      • Memory:
      • 4GB OCZ DDR2 890MHz (5-4-4-15)
      • Storage:
      • Intel 80GB - Games. Intel 80GB - OS. 1TB Samsung - Storage.
      • Graphics card(s):
      • NVIDIA Zotac GTX 275: 728 Core, 1614 Shader, 1340 Memory
      • PSU:
      • Enermax MODU82+ 625w
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Samsung SM2343BW (2048x1152)
      • Internet:
      • Smallworld 4Mbps

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    I really hope vrpm doesn't catch on. It makes no sense.
    especially once SSD completely takes over HDD, if that ever happens..

  9. #9
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    36
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    Hmmm 240GB. Tempting. I have started to use SSD for boot drives in my home servers, its well worth it.

    Did you know that the EVE Online cluster is all SSD?
    I didn't know that the EVE Online cluster is all SSD; I did however know that they have multiple RamSans:
    http://www.superssd.com/products_sub.htm

    which whilst SSD, aren't SSD in the classic sense

  10. #10
    Not a good person scaryjim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    15,070
    Thanks
    1,200
    Thanked
    2,250 times in 1,851 posts
    • scaryjim's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Dell Inspiron
      • CPU:
      • Core i5 8250U
      • Memory:
      • 1x 8GB DDR4 2400
      • Storage:
      • 128GB M.2 SSD + 1TB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon R5 230
      • PSU:
      • Battery/Dell brick
      • Case:
      • Dell Inspiron 5570
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • 15" 1080p laptop panel

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    for the sake of pragmatism, let's hope this quasi-standard doesn't stick.
    How would you rather compare the performance of two components performing the same task but based on hugely differing technologies? There will inevitably be a period of time where low capacity SSDs and higher capacity HDDs share price points and consumers will have to choose between them. If the industry can find a reliable measure of relative performance across the 2 technologies then (speaking as a consumer) I'm massively in favour.

    I'm not saying that vRPM is the right measure, of course, but if it can be verified by other manufacturers as giving an accurate reflection of performance (i.e. is a 40,000 vRPM SSD really 8 times faster than a 5000 RPM HDD), and an independant body can be found to maintain the software (so manufacturers can't just fake their results), then I see no "pragmatic" reason why vRPM shouldn't become an industry standard...

  11. #11
    HEXUS webmaster Steve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Bristol
    Posts
    14,269
    Thanks
    286
    Thanked
    829 times in 469 posts
    • Steve's system
      • CPU:
      • Intel i3-350M 2.27GHz
      • Memory:
      • 8GiB Crucial DDR3
      • Storage:
      • 320GB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Intel HD3000
      • Operating System:
      • Ubuntu 11.10

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    Because RPM is not directly linked to data rate. As RPM remains at 7200 but platter density increases, so too does data rate. vRPM is therefore bollocks as a metric.

    They should measure burst, sequential and random read/write access times and just state those. Hell, for most people sequential read/write figures would be enough - only SMEs and up will really care that much about anything else.
    PHP Code:
    $s = new signature();
    $s->sarcasm()->intellect()->font('Courier New')->display(); 

  12. Received thanks from:

    Clunk (13-01-2009)

  13. #12
    Get in the van. Fraz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Bristol
    Posts
    2,919
    Thanks
    284
    Thanked
    397 times in 231 posts
    • Fraz's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte X58A-UD5
      • CPU:
      • Watercooled i7-980X @ 4.2 GHz
      • Memory:
      • 24GB Crucial DDR3-1333
      • Storage:
      • 240 GB Vertex2E + 2 TB of Disk
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Water-cooled Sapphire 7970 @ 1175/1625
      • PSU:
      • Enermax Modu87+
      • Case:
      • Corsair 700D
      • Operating System:
      • Linux Mint 12 / Windows 7
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 30" 3008WFP and two Dell 24" 2412M
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media 60 Mbps

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    How would you rather compare the performance of two components performing the same task but based on hugely differing technologies? There will inevitably be a period of time where low capacity SSDs and higher capacity HDDs share price points and consumers will have to choose between them. If the industry can find a reliable measure of relative performance across the 2 technologies then (speaking as a consumer) I'm massively in favour.

    I'm not saying that vRPM is the right measure, of course, but if it can be verified by other manufacturers as giving an accurate reflection of performance (i.e. is a 40,000 vRPM SSD really 8 times faster than a 5000 RPM HDD), and an independant body can be found to maintain the software (so manufacturers can't just fake their results), then I see no "pragmatic" reason why vRPM shouldn't become an industry standard...
    Errr.... how about using some properly reproducible numbers in FIXED UNITS. Maybe like MB/s?! For instance?! I mean, how hard is that to do? vRPM is just retarded, as it would depend on what disk you were spinning. I'm sure I wouldn't want to buy an SSD that had a vRPM of 40,000 with respect to a 40 GB HDD from 9 years ago.

    I can see plenty of pragmatic reasons why vRPM shouldn't become industry standard.

    Right, I'm off to re-label the speedo on my car to use velocities defined in tree-heights per second.

  14. #13
    Flat cap, Whippets, Cave. Clunk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    11,056
    Thanks
    360
    Thanked
    725 times in 459 posts

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    Complete and utter bollocks indeed.

    I prefer to measure the speed of my SSDs in smoked mackerels. This is a much better way because they are rich in protein and high in Omega 3 oils which let the data slip through faster.

    Before long, the entire industry will be measuring in SM/sec, so watch out for the benchmark.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzen View Post
    stupid betond belief.
    You owe it to yourself to click here really.

  15. Received thanks from:

    Keva161 (13-01-2009)

  16. #14
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Wiltshire
    Posts
    44
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts
    • Keva161's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P5KC
      • CPU:
      • E6750 @ 2.66
      • Memory:
      • 2x2GB Dominator 1066 (5-5-5-15)
      • Storage:
      • 1x 250GB 1x500gb 1x 1TB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 8800GTS 640MB
      • PSU:
      • OCZ 700W
      • Case:
      • Antec 900
      • Operating System:
      • Vista x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 22" Samsung
      • Internet:
      • 8mb UKFSN

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    Quote Originally Posted by Clunk View Post
    Complete and utter bollocks indeed.

    I prefer to measure the speed of my SSDs in smoked mackerels. This is a much better way because they are rich in protein and high in Omega 3 oils which let the data slip through faster.

    Before long, the entire industry will be measuring in SM/sec, so watch out for the benchmark.
    Hahahaha

  17. #15
    Not a good person scaryjim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    15,070
    Thanks
    1,200
    Thanked
    2,250 times in 1,851 posts
    • scaryjim's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Dell Inspiron
      • CPU:
      • Core i5 8250U
      • Memory:
      • 1x 8GB DDR4 2400
      • Storage:
      • 128GB M.2 SSD + 1TB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon R5 230
      • PSU:
      • Battery/Dell brick
      • Case:
      • Dell Inspiron 5570
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • 15" 1080p laptop panel

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Because RPM is not directly linked to data rate. As RPM remains at 7200 but platter density increases, so too does data rate. vRPM is therefore bollocks as a metric.

    They should measure burst, sequential and random read/write access times and just state those. Hell, for most people sequential read/write figures would be enough - only SMEs and up will really care that much about anything else.
    From reading the white paper, the vRPM benching software *does* measure burst, sequential and random data rates - then it converts that into a relative performance metric (alledgedly weighted by real world usage models).

    I'd've thought most consumers would like a single, easily comparable figure: suppose comparing 2 disks, A has a much better burst write speed, but B has better sequential write and random read times. Which is going to provide better performance? vRPM is not a completely artificial measure because it's based on actual benchmarked performance: it's just put into one easily comparable metric. People like simple comparisons (look at AMDs PR on Athlon CPUs, v.s. straight clock speeds) and giving them 3 - 5 different measures of performance to compare would put off a lot of people. vRPM may be a dumb name for it, but as a concept I'm definitely in favour...

  18. #16
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    23
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts

    Re: News - SanDisk to unleash 240GB SSD with 40,000vrpm

    Quote Originally Posted by matty-hodgson View Post
    what gains would you get from sticking one in your PS3?
    Parts of games stored to the hard drive would benefit from reduced load times.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 15
    Last Post: 19-11-2008, 10:14 AM
  2. News - Samsung gives up on Sandisk for now
    By HEXUS in forum HEXUS News
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 22-10-2008, 01:11 PM
  3. News - Intel makes its enterprise SSD move
    By HEXUS in forum HEXUS News
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 18-10-2008, 02:22 PM
  4. Replies: 7
    Last Post: 09-10-2008, 03:50 PM
  5. News - Samsung set to buy SanDisk?
    By HEXUS in forum HEXUS News
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 10-09-2008, 06:42 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •