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    News - Inno3D freezes GeForce GTS 250 1GB

    well, you have to do something to make the rebranded GPU interesting, right?
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    Re: News - Inno3D freezes GeForce GTS 250 1GB

    I wish nVidia would stop faffing around with re-releasing already available graphics cards as sales gimmicks and actually produce a new card when they try to fill out a new series. It's just starting to get silly and it's even putting me off nVidia. If and when I decide to upgrade my 8800 GTX, chances are I'll be going with a company that doesn't try to screw its customers for money in quite the same shameless way nVidia seem to be doing.

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    Re: News - Inno3D freezes GeForce GTS 250 1GB

    The press are all saying it's a re-branded 9800 GTX+...... let's not forget that the 9800 itself is practically a re-branded 8800 GTX.
    Ok, some speed bumps and some (very) welcome power saving features, but swapping an 8800GTX for a 250 GTS would give you... nearly nothing?
    And selling it for £150? Come off it nvidia, you must be really strapped for cash.
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    Re: News - Inno3D freezes GeForce GTS 250 1GB

    Quote Originally Posted by MSIC View Post
    Come off it nvidia, you must be really strapped for cash.
    Presumably the issue is more that they're strapped for technology? Which is intriguing - why can't they just sell mildly crippled GTX260s at a lower price?

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    Re: News - Inno3D freezes GeForce GTS 250 1GB

    I always thought the 9800gtx was a re-release of the 8800gts 512mb, with higher clock speeds, and in some models 1gb memory, and that the 9800gtx+ was the same thing with a 55nm manufacturing process.

    That seems likely as my 8800gts 512 at 9800gtx clock speeds gives the same performance and again the same at 9800gtx+ speeds showing that 55nm doesn't make any difference performance wise, only lower heat and lower manufacturing costs, also considering the 8800gtx was 768mb, it doesn't seem like the 9800gtx was a rebranding of that particular card.

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    Re: News - Inno3D freezes GeForce GTS 250 1GB

    Picky Picky! But accurate, I think. The 8800GTX was a G80 core, whereas I believe the 8800GT|GTS / 9800GT|GTX|GTX+ / GTS 250 are a G92 core. None of which changes the fact that the technology is around 2 years old.

    Does this mean that something is amiss with the new GTX core that means it's unsuitable for adaptation to low and mid-range products... a serious technological faux-pas if it's true, not unlike Intel's odd decision to use several different sockets for its new processor ranges...

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    Re: News - Inno3D freezes GeForce GTS 250 1GB

    Quote Originally Posted by cobhc View Post
    I always thought the 9800gtx was a re-release of the 8800gts 512mb, with higher clock speeds, and in some models 1gb memory, and that the 9800gtx+ was the same thing with a 55nm manufacturing process.
    Correct the 9800gtx was a 8800gts 512mb g92 at higher clock speeds and better power regulation.
    The 9800gtx+ was die shrunk and had another speed increase.

    £150 for a 1gb 9800gtx+ with after market cooler (although the reference cooler is very good) is not a bad price.
    But it does seem that nvidia is taking the proverbial with this reissuing cards with a new name.
    Last edited by Pob255; 04-03-2009 at 01:00 PM.

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    Re: News - Inno3D freezes GeForce GTS 250 1GB

    >>G92 65nm 8800GT(S)
    >>G92 65nm 9800GTX
    >>G92b 55nm 9800GTX+
    >>G92b 55nm GTX 250

    Same card

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    Re: News - Inno3D freezes GeForce GTS 250 1GB

    Actually I've spotted a couple of differences, the card looks slightly shorter and they've got rid of the extra and unneeded power connector.

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    Re: News - Inno3D freezes GeForce GTS 250 1GB

    Quote Originally Posted by DDY View Post
    Same card
    Yea, but at least there are some incremental improvements. For example, the 250 is making the 9800GTX+ performance available to people with smaller cases and less powerful PSUs. I reckon if you can't improve or innovate, you might as well refine your existing designs.

    Make no mistake, I'm the last person to be a fan of the exercise, but as consumers we are being offered a better product. Not much better, but given the choice out of all the aforementioned cards, we'd all pick the 250 now, nay?

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    Re: News - Inno3D freezes GeForce GTS 250 1GB

    Quote Originally Posted by Pob255 View Post
    Actually I've spotted a couple of differences...
    Spotted? Or simply read in the GTS 250 review?

    Assuming the 512MB model has the same modifications, and will stay at about the same price as a HD4850, then the card will continue to be competitive as it has slightly better performance, a much better temperature profile, and a lower idle power consumption (although higher load consumption). In fact, if all this had happened a month ago and the cards were in the shops now I may well have bought one to put in the build I've just done for a friend. Sure, there's no technological innovation here, but if they can genuinely be churched out in the £100 - £130 price range* then they don't *need* to be innovative: they're already competitive at that price point.

    * that's for a 512MB model, obviously, since the 1GB is forecast to sell for ~ £150
    Last edited by scaryjim; 04-03-2009 at 01:34 PM. Reason: disclaimer added

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    Re: News - Inno3D freezes GeForce GTS 250 1GB

    Ok, not the same card... I personally don't care if NV are re branding "cores", it's a business after all. If I was in the position where I had to choose between either four of those cards, it'll be the 9800GTX+, it's 40x more than the GTX 250 and it's got a plus. Of course, that's if I was in that position I'd probably be in PC World under the advice of my mates brother who knows about computers.

    I really didn't mean to say "same card", when I arranged the cards in order with >> in front, something hit me.

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