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It keeps getting worse and worse, everyone's determined to jump onto the browser bandwagon now! I pity the poor web designers who'll have to put up with yet ANOTHER way of implimented standards...
There's a reason why Microsoft holds onto a monopoly, most people want a simple experience with their PC, they want it to just work. All these competing companies are just hurting the consumer, instead of strengthening them.
Yep, same argument could be made for Linux :)
In this case, not true. Competition in the browser marketplace ensures that browsers constantly get faster, better-featured and more standards-compliant. This helps you even if you don't use an alternative browser - for example, IE8 is a huge improvement over previous versions of IE, and I doubt MS would have bothered were it not for Firefox, Chrome and Safari making steps forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucio
While I agree that it's going to be a little harder for web developers having to deal with yet another browser, your assumptions are just wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucio
#1. The *reason* IE holds a monopoly on the browser market is because it comes standard on Windows and most people don't even know the difference between a browser and "the internet".
Furthermore, IE's market share is crashing down more and more every year and Firefox is continuing to soar. That is expected as more and more people become aware of just how poor IE is compared to the alternatives.
Your argument implies that using Firefox, Chrome, Opera, or Safari is somehow a "complicated" user experience, whereas IE's user experience is "simple" and most people *want* it. On the contrary: IE's menus are obscure and unintuitive until you learn it and it actually requires users to complete a wizard before first use.
And this may be an aside, but have you ever used IE on a Server edition of Windows? You can't even access the web for security reasons until you explicitly whitelist the website you intend to visit (which wouldn't be so bad if there was just a "Whitelist? Yes | No" dialog box... but you actually have to manually open the security dialog box and whitelist the site before you try to visit it).
Chrome's entire reason for being is to have the most user-friendly, intuitive GUI possible. Firefox is building upon Chrome's open source and free licensing policy (as intended by Google) and is following suit with Firefox 3.7 and 4.0, which will have completely re-designed interfaces.
#2. Competition, as usual, is a driving force in product improvement. Another browser will certainly not hurt consumers. I'm not sure where you get that reasoning that more browser options are bad.
I don't see why this is a negative. It's a server, what are you browsing the internet on it for?Quote:
Originally Posted by latrosicarius
The only thing I can think you would need ot go to is *.microsoft.com for updates or additional software. And then only for things that need to be validated for that system. Everything ese you should use another system or laptop, saving to the network anything you need to install :)
As for Rockmelt, is this actually just a new browser, or a new rendering and Javascript engine? there is a big difference between the two things.
Already you have 4 rendering engines to cope with, IE (and interfaces that use the IE components) , Opera, Mozilla (Firefox and others I presume) and NetKit (Chrome, Safari, many others)
Ah, I think you miss understand, this is a 'market leading' feature, the idea that you can limit the sites that any part of the web stack can communicate with. Even limiting the types of content that can run, enforcing signing. In short its brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by latrosicarius
You shouldn't be casually surfing the web on a server anyway, and if you are, then you should have to manually re-configure it, its not hard to change the zone options after all.
(also worth noting there is an Add button on the "blocked" dialgoue page)
It could have been worst.....It could have been MySpace making a browser....
I strongly suspect something Firefox-based here.
The logo looks like a melty version of the Firefox "no branding" logo: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Park_Globe.png
:stupid: Actually - according to a web designer friend of mine - Microsoft doesn't implement the 'standards' properly anyway, as in, a page that passes the W3C validator will fail on IE6/IE7/IE8 (less so on IE8). And he's continually cussing that he's got to put in code to deal with that IE6 behaves differently from IE7, which in turn behaves differently from IE8. Small thanks to MS for IE8 - at least it seems to render pages etc very similarly to Firefox, Opera etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucio
Microsoft holds onto a monopoly? Hmm, wouldn't say that too loud - might decide to sic the lawyers on MS for that. Oh, I forgot, the EU already did! ;) As for the statement about "they just want it [their PC] to work" and Microsoft, well the less said about that the better. (HP printer debacle on Vista, the hours I wasted trying to get a T-Mobile 3G stick working on Windows XP [c.f. 15 seconds on Ubuntu with the same hardware] - I'm sure there's many, many other examples)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucio
Competition is good - it forces vendors to keep 'upping their game', plus it gives the user choice. As in, I know folks who think Safari is brilliant, others rave about Google Chrome or Opera, still more say IE8 is top, whereas I have a preference for Firefox. What I'd hate is if this new browser doesn't add anything new - if it's just a respin/fork of WebKit then please let it die quickly and cleanly. Speaking of WebKit respins - what's the big advantage of Chrome over, say, Firefox - anyone care to enlighten me?
Given Andreesen's post-Netscape bungling (yes, I am using Opsware at the moment! :censored:) I don't hold out much hope of anything substantial for this new browser. More smoke and mirrors from Mr A!
Cheers, Bob.
Well you're right that you shouldn't typically be browsing the internet from your server. There are certain circumstances where you might need to do it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkstar
However, my complaint was not with the fact that IE blocks web access by default (which is a good idea on a server), but that it is not very user-friendly when it comes to unblocking a site should you need to do it. That's what my whole post was about --- friendly and intuitive GUIs. I wasn't bashing Microsoft's reason for restricting web access; only their specific implementation of it.
Do people notice the improvements if they were not there in the first place. ' NO 'Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattus
IE 5 worked, IE 6 worked, IE 7 and 8 all worked.. They all worked fine... Ok so they got faster because someone else made a faster one but was it slow in the first place.... urr no not really.
Are they any better ... urr no not really. Do they all do the same thing at the end of the day... ' YES'
Disagree with you there, Linux is about showing people there is an alternative to Windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by usxhe190
pretty much vaporware at the moment though.
I'm all for a bit of competition, but is anything likely to be massively better? There are already a whole bunch of browsers, and a whole bunch I don't use. I drifted into Firefox years ago and now I'm just too used to it to switch. I occasionally use IE8 for things that plain don't work on Firefox. What more are people looking for? I've never noticed a speed difference between the two previously mentioned relative to the speed of the connection.
Rubbish. That's like saying that we should all still be using Pentium 100s with 16MB of RAM. After all, they worked just fine until someone made a faster one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewster101
IE5 may have been OK for its time, but try taking it onto Facebook, Digg or GMail and you're in for a rough time. Browsers get better and the internet gets better with them, just like OSes and software get more functional as hardware gets faster. Competition among browsers raises the overall standard and allows developers to make richer and more complex websites.
If you think that IE8 is no better than IE6 and that they do exactly the same thing, you've obviously not spent much time developing websites.