Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: News - Kingston shows the speed benefits of RAIDed SSDs.

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    29,382
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1,924 times in 668 posts

    News - Kingston shows the speed benefits of RAIDed SSDs.

    A two-drive boot setup and four-drive storage space equates to blistering performance.
    Read more.

  2. #2
    Admin (Ret'd)
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    18,481
    Thanks
    1,016
    Thanked
    3,208 times in 2,281 posts

    Re: News - Kingston shows the speed benefits of RAIDed SSDs.

    So, in the words of that article, Kingston are trying to convince the consumer of the benefits by using a drive setup consisting of 6 SSDs costing something like £2300 to give about 1TB of storage, for which a conventional drive would cost about £60.

    Isn't that rather like trying to convince someone that needs a Ford Ka of the benefits of Aston Martin? I mean a DB9 is great, and fast, and flashy and all, so come back when I can get one (new) for ten grand.

  3. #3
    Technojunkie
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Up North
    Posts
    2,580
    Thanks
    239
    Thanked
    213 times in 138 posts

    Re: News - Kingston shows the speed benefits of RAIDed SSDs.

    Lol - I didn't have to read this without knowing it would be a saracen anti-SSD post

    It was just demonstrating the performance at the extreme end with 6 drives,
    as all the manufacturers are doing.

    The 2 drive setup is more reasonable for a consumer at 280 eruo, as thats what many of us actually run.

    Yes SSDs are more expensive than HDDs, bu then gfx cards are more expensive than onboard gfx....
    Last edited by mikerr; 04-03-2010 at 04:37 PM.
    Chrome & Firefox addons for BBC News
    Follow me @twitter

  4. #4
    Anthropomorphic Personification shaithis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    The Last Aerie
    Posts
    10,856
    Thanks
    645
    Thanked
    872 times in 736 posts
    • shaithis's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77 WS
      • CPU:
      • i7 3770k @ 4.5GHz
      • Memory:
      • 32GB HyperX 1866
      • Storage:
      • Lots!
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire Fury X
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX850
      • Case:
      • Corsair 600T (White)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Dell 3007
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb Fibre

    Re: News - Kingston shows the speed benefits of RAIDed SSDs.

    Interesting, so they didn't bother doing a like-for-like test with RAIDed HDDs?
    Main PC: Asus Rampage IV Extreme / 3960X@4.5GHz / Antec H1200 Pro / 32GB DDR3-1866 Quad Channel / Sapphire Fury X / Areca 1680 / 850W EVGA SuperNOVA Gold 2 / Corsair 600T / 2x Dell 3007 / 4 x 250GB SSD + 2 x 80GB SSD / 4 x 1TB HDD (RAID 10) / Windows 10 Pro, Yosemite & Ubuntu
    HTPC: AsRock Z77 Pro 4 / 3770K@4.2GHz / 24GB / GTX 1080 / SST-LC20 / Antec TP-550 / Hisense 65k5510 4K TV / HTC Vive / 2 x 240GB SSD + 12TB HDD Space / Race Seat / Logitech G29 / Win 10 Pro
    HTPC2: Asus AM1I-A / 5150 / 4GB / Corsair Force 3 240GB / Silverstone SST-ML05B + ST30SF / Samsung UE60H6200 TV / Windows 10 Pro
    Spare/Loaner: Gigabyte EX58-UD5 / i950 / 12GB / HD7870 / Corsair 300R / Silverpower 700W modular
    NAS 1: HP N40L / 12GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Arrays || NAS 2: Dell PowerEdge T110 II / 24GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Hybrid arrays || Network:Buffalo WZR-1166DHP w/DD-WRT + HP ProCurve 1800-24G
    Laptop: Dell Precision 5510 Printer: HP CP1515n || Phone: Huawei P30 || Other: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 Pro 10.1 CM14 / Playstation 4 + G29 + 2TB Hybrid drive

  5. #5
    Admin (Ret'd)
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    18,481
    Thanks
    1,016
    Thanked
    3,208 times in 2,281 posts

    Re: News - Kingston shows the speed benefits of RAIDed SSDs.

    I'm not anti-SSD.

    All I've said elsewhere, and it wasn't the point in this thread, was that personally I don't consider them good value for money, and not worth what you currently have to pay ... or not for general purpose desktop PCs anyway. Lots of people rave about them, and those reading threads here deserve to know that not everyone agrees.

    Are they fast? Yes. Are they fast enough to justify the cost? That's a personal decision, and for me, the answer is a very clear no. But for those that buy and a happy with the performance they get and the price they paid, that's fine too.

    It is not, however, a no-brainer as some people like to suggest. It's a case of assessing what performance you'll get and deciding if you're prepared to pay that for it. If you are, fine. I'm not.

    The point here was that trying to convince consumers of SSD performance using a £2300 array is plain daft.

  6. #6
    Scan Computers Technical/Returns Mark@SCAN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Manchester/Bolton
    Posts
    1,133
    Thanks
    65
    Thanked
    120 times in 96 posts
    • Mark@SCAN's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS MAXIMUS VII GENE Z97
      • CPU:
      • i7 4790k @ 4.7ghz
      • Memory:
      • Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR3 2400MHz
      • Storage:
      • 1x 512GB Samsung SM951 NVME & 1x 4TB WD Caviar Black
      • Graphics card(s):
      • MSI GTX 980
      • PSU:
      • Silverstone SST-ST75F-G Strider 750w
      • Case:
      • SilverStone FT03B
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • DELL U2711H
      • Internet:
      • SKY Fibre Unlimited

    Re: News - Kingston shows the speed benefits of RAIDed SSDs.

    Don't you lose the TRIM function if you have a RAID0 set-up?

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    10,578
    Thanks
    629
    Thanked
    340 times in 236 posts

    Re: News - Kingston shows the speed benefits of RAIDed SSDs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark@SCAN View Post
    Don't you lose the TRIM function if you have a RAID0 set-up?
    Depends what drives, my OCZ ones now have TRIM/GC in RAID as well as single drive configurations due to the new 1.5fw

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    423
    Thanks
    63
    Thanked
    18 times in 17 posts
    • GaryRW's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte P35C DS3R
      • CPU:
      • Q6600 @ 3ghz
      • Memory:
      • DDR2 4gb
      • Storage:
      • Samsung Spinpoint F1 1TB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 8800GT
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX520w
      • Case:
      • Antec P182
      • Operating System:
      • Win 7
      • Monitor(s):
      • Samsung 2032BW

    Re: News - Kingston shows the speed benefits of RAIDed SSDs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark@SCAN View Post
    Don't you lose the TRIM function if you have a RAID0 set-up?
    That was my understanding but if GSV Trig is right, things have moved on . Actually, re-reading your post, are you sure it's trim? I know quite a few have done garbage collection by themselves even when in RAID - are you saying that OCZ have gone further and got trim working even in RAID? I understood it was only MS storage drivers that enabled trim. Would be very happy to be corrected though!

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    6,562
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    245 times in 207 posts

    Re: News - Kingston shows the speed benefits of RAIDed SSDs.

    I doubt this is really news to anyone (not saying it shouldn't be reported, just that I am not sure what Kingston expect to get out of it). I think everyone who knows and care enough about system performance to care about SSD already knows that a good SSD is -really- fast especially in some applications. And I do not think anyone would not want one, if only to play with it. But it is just plain too expensive for many.

    A mechanical drive costs 6-8p per GB. That's around 30x cheaper per GB than SSD. Is the SSD 30x faster? Definitely not in all aspect, but lets say it is in 4k random write (very important) it is still hard to justify for most people. And that won't change even if 4k random write is 60x faster.

    It's not a case of just 'more expensive', but it's a matter of more expensive by how much. I reckon that GFX card that is 30x as fast as the HD5870, yet costs 15x as much would still be hard sell. If the card is guaranteed to be performance leading for a number of years, then maybe quite a few people will be willing to take loan/credit card, but in the case of SSD, you are fairly guaranteed that nothing in the market today will be performance leading for a few years.

  10. #10
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    west
    Posts
    57
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    3 times in 3 posts
    • leexgx's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Rampage extream II
      • CPU:
      • i7-920 @ 4Ghz
      • Memory:
      • 6GB OCZ gold 1600
      • Storage:
      • M225 250GB, 1TB segate
      • Graphics card(s):
      • GTX480
      • PSU:
      • Thermaltake 1000W
      • Case:
      • antec 900
      • Operating System:
      • Win7 64
      • Internet:
      • real super fast VM 51MB (not fake 24mb superfast thats infact 1mb)

    Re: News - Kingston shows the speed benefits of RAIDed SSDs.

    TRIM currently only works with AHCI basic windows drivers or the new marvel SATA card with the updated drivers (not sure witch one) GC may still work under RAID 0 (thought it needed NTFS for it to work)

    Any RAID drivers currently does not support TRIM command yet, so your 2-3x RAID 0 setup could end up slower then an single SSD on Writes that is, Reads would still be very fast thought as long as Writes are quite low

    SSD + RAID is really just an Benchmarks for most, unless you really need 400-700MB/s of data rate for messing with big files, just Buy the SSD Size you need that supports TRIM
    http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=736

    Indilinx SSD based (M225), second gen or intel G2 based (updated firmware for them all),
    maybe samsung seocnd gen SSDs that support TRIM firmware upgrade
    Intel, Sandforce, Micron, Toshiba, Indilinx

    maybe Toshiba (TRIM supported as Default) but not proven yet

    not sure about JMicron even with the new 612-618 (seems to suffer from 0.02MB/s writeing issues still) or the Sandforce or Micron based SSDs as they are not proven (C300 can be killed in an short time)

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 10
    Last Post: 11-03-2009, 06:20 AM
  2. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-02-2009, 12:01 PM
  3. Replies: 5
    Last Post: 23-10-2008, 04:40 PM
  4. News - Need for Speed Undercover, uncovered
    By HEXUS in forum HEXUS News
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 18-10-2008, 07:18 PM
  5. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 09-10-2008, 11:41 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •