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Leaked image shows an upcoming Xbox 360 chipset with the CPU and GPU on a single die.
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Leaked image shows an upcoming Xbox 360 chipset with the CPU and GPU on a single die.
Not sure which rev this board is, but it looks like it would be the original as it was published in 2005
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2005/1210/xbox56.jpg
There has been a hell of a simplification when you compare the two. Must be quite a cost reduction too.
(It is the original as it has the 4 pin mini molex connector for the system fan instead of a standard 3 pin fan header)
Big change (if legit)
The idea of Natal built in makes sense but consdiering we don't even know the form it is due to take yet (and you'll always need an external camera) maybe not?
I'm trying to figure out the layout of both boards though, top of the 2005 pick looks like the front (2 mem slots, usb & IR?) The bottom of the new pic looks like the front (1 mem slot, USB?) much smaller gap between the two. Lining up component size it looks like the new one is ~ 1/3 smaller (not in width though) and doesnt have any parts jutting out so not a massive difference but welcome nonetheless!
Coolermaster fan? Really?
I find it odd they combine the two, sure less components to manufacture, but surely the heat output would be more concentrated coming from one die?
If it's only a test model then maybe yeah (?)
2 x SATA ports, loads of empty headers on the board as well? Some commentors on Kotaku have come up with a few technical reasons why this is a fake, who knows but I'd be more suprised if there wasn't a new revision in the works!
the thing is even with the reduction its still a very hot CPU and very hot GPU being bound to 1 socket, it just seems so unlikely
Can't see anywhere for the hard drive, or am I blind?
Oh and why 2 SATA ports?
No HDD connection but 1 extra SATA port…perhaps some sort of cable will be extended from the mobo to the case to connect the HDD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zap
2 sata ports = 1 for HDD, 1 for optical ?
plus a die shrink should mean less heat generated from the cpu and gpu, although if they keep the current chassis then perhaps a lot of room for extra cooling :D
and inbuilt wireless!
I think Opus revision doesn't have HDMI... It has a die shrink but it's just for replacing faulty original consoles so it isn't available at retail and doesn't have HDMI.
fabulous we can all go get a slim and have even worse heat problems and design faults and get rrod2 :D, or i could get a ps3.....
Fixed it for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
As for the problems with both the 360 and PS3 I blame the eco warriors!, its almost certain the problems are due to lead free solder.
Fake or not, a smaller 360 would always be welcome I reckon.
Even if it isn't smaller (case wise), with the GPU//CPU on the same die (with die shrunk) they have one set of coolingto worry about so perhaps can make sure airflow goes to that specific part.
Having a bigger HDD is the best thing they could do for it imo, 120Gb/250Gb just isn't good enough (my premium still has a 60Gb, but 120Gb just doesn't seem worth the hassle to upgrade), smaller logic board could mean room for a 3.5" HDD perhaps... 1Tb HDD in a 360? that'd be nice, especially with the trend to games on demand etc.
ok, nice attempt but sort of failed, i work in a game retailer and in the 15 months ive worked there i haven't had one ps3 come back with yellow lights, and had tons and tons come back with RROD plus the reports are that the slim ps3 doesn't have the problem and seems as the big chunky is discontiuned i think my previous statement was fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Percy1983
YLOD != RROD on scale..
Anyway..
2nd shot out with the HSF removed. Convenient covering of TM on the CPU? Doesn't appear to be any markings at all on it, not even ES stuff?
http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/a...0mobo2.jpg.jpg
Most people will RMA direct to the manufacturer so your experience isnt really that relevant. Usually for convenience of not having to go into a store and then RMA through the usual methodsQuote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
Just look at the MS position, you do it all online to arrange an RMA on a RROD 360.
I'd say its relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by finlay666
If most people go direct then that applies to both PS3 & the 360, making that assumption you can therefore only assume the same % of people 'go direct' so the levels of returns to store (as a %) are the same for both consoles?
I'd say (IMO) that the 360 returns process is arguably more well known so that should actually mean the same % of consoles are returned to store but a higher % returned to the manufacturer direct = higher % of failed 360 than even Cozwin saw.
The fact is the 360 (in total inclusing ALL revisions) is more prone to failure than the PS3 (incl ALL revisions ie the new 'less failure prone' Slim)
MS have sorted the initial failures with the Jasper which seems to be pretty reliable but we just can't make sense of the figures as both consoles have so many variants we don't know if it's an old/new console failing.
I'd imagine MS have put a LOT of effort into the reliability of any new console (whether this is the mobo or not they most certainly have one in development) & as an ex-360/current PS3 owner I'd be very interested in a slim 360.
I think the PS3 has had the biggest fail though a few weeks back eh ? xD
Depending on where they may or may not go with this I would be interested in getting one.
Haha probably very true :mrgreen: although we don't know totals & it didn't require a 2 week repair process! If I'd been affected I'd have probably just turned it off for a day, no-biggy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Terbinator
Shoddy, shoddy mistake that one, whoever 'overlooked' the fact a well-known issue with a chip they used could do this needs to be given a slap on the wrist :confused:
I hope MS put something extra into a 'Slim' to make me want one, if it's just a small 360 then no chance I'd part with my cash. It looks like this won't even have WiFi integrated, FFS give us something (apart from Natal) to push us to buy one!
If you actually want to play online properly you wouldn't consider WIFI.
By all means I would say the that more 360 are failing than PS3's, but is does seem that many of the early PS3's are failing now.
Also the length of warrenty will have an impact on the amount of returns, A 360 breaks after 2 years you will see it, I PS3 after 2 years won't get seen.
I know a couple of people who just binned there PS3's when they got the YLOD, as it is they have followed me into true HD gaming (also know as PC gaming).
Eitherway I shrink on this plus Natel could get it under many TV's.
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/18/xb...n-2010-update/ Double sided- coin is just that, a plus to some of you 20GB owners no doubt though ?
That cant to be right?!.. considering the latest arcades have a bit of memory built in now.. and surely having stuff on USB will open up people trying to hack their gamertags for more l33tz gamerscore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terbinator