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    News - Clegg wins TV debate, but online engagement stutters

    If this is going to be the first great online general election, fragile technology and voter apathy have to be overcome.
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    Re: News - Clegg wins TV debate, but online engagement stutters

    The google graph would have been a lot better had they not chosen party colours for the wrong parties. Still can't blame them - I've no idea what colo(u)rs the replicans or democrats use!
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    Re: News - Clegg wins TV debate, but online engagement stutters

    It was bad enough that Brown started on Obama stylised rhetoric before announcing the election date, but now having US-style debates as well? Britain is (or was?) better than peddling marketing crap. I mean really, who now feels like they can only get what they can pick up at the supermarket?
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    The google graph would have been a lot better had they not chosen party colours for the wrong parties. Still can't blame them - I've no idea what colo(u)rs the replicans or democrats use!
    the replicans eh?

    also: i would say your a minority there
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    Re: News - Clegg wins TV debate, but online engagement stutters

    Quote Originally Posted by cheesemp View Post
    The google graph would have been a lot better had they not chosen party colours for the wrong parties.
    Here you go

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    Re: News - Clegg wins TV debate, but online engagement stutters

    Politics just do not interest me, it all a big soap opera with the scandals and childish accusations thrown about at eachother.

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    Re: News - Clegg wins TV debate, but online engagement stutters

    The Lib dems are a bunch of clowns. When I saw the headline about their bonus policy my jaw dropped - how can people with such stupidity get votes? They are blatantly jumping on the banker-bashing bandwagon! Also their tax and minimum wage policy, shows no understanding of economics. I urge the guys planning to vote for them to do some homework first, otherwise if they win, in 10 years we will look back and think of Gordon Brown as a great hero!

    I am not saying the other parties are bulletproof policies, it's just that the lib dem's are much, much worse and even an A-Level economics student would be able to tell you that!

    Edit: Some reading for you:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...ed-by-CBI.html
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...ove_their.html
    http://news.efinancialcareers.co.uk/...wsItemId-24825
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    Re: News - Clegg wins TV debate, but online engagement stutters

    GCSE level economics would be preferable to Gordies nursery school level.
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    Re: News - Clegg wins TV debate, but online engagement stutters

    Lib Dem bonus tax, everyone knows that the big banks would just find ways round it, deferred bonuses, re-classifying it as conditional benefits, or improved basic the next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Lib Dem bonus tax, everyone knows that the big banks would just find ways round it, deferred bonuses, re-classifying it as conditional benefits, or improved basic the next year.
    Whoah.... bankers in "finding a way to look after number 1" shocker

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiM View Post
    The Lib dems are a bunch of clowns. When I saw the headline about their bonus policy my jaw dropped - how can people with such stupidity get votes? They are blatantly jumping on the banker-bashing bandwagon! Also their tax and minimum wage policy, shows no understanding of economics. I urge the guys planning to vote for them to do some homework first, otherwise if they win, in 10 years we will look back and think of Gordon Brown as a great hero!

    I am not saying the other parties are bulletproof policies, it's just that the lib dem's are much, much worse and even an A-Level economics student would be able to tell you that!
    Not fond of any Party - but the least greedy sounds a better way to pick who to vote for! And all the economic expertise available never stopped the mess caused by Margeret (steals milk from babes) thatcher...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oclocker View Post
    Not fond of any Party - but the least greedy sounds a better way to pick who to vote for!
    Err... No. Least greedy is not a good way, just because someone is less greedy (or pretends to be) does not mean that they are capable of running the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiM View Post
    Err... No. Least greedy is not a good way, just because someone is less greedy (or pretends to be) does not mean that they are capable of running the country.
    At least if they run the country into the ground, it wont be on the basis of self-interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oclocker View Post
    Not fond of any Party - but the least greedy sounds a better way to pick who to vote for! And all the economic expertise available never stopped the mess caused by Margeret (steals milk from babes) thatcher...
    Wonderful bit of retrospective myopia there.

    First, the incident to which you refer, for which she acquired her nickname, was a policy she inherited from her predecessor when she first became Education Secretary. And, like any junior manager in their first post, you do what your boss or the company MD tells you or you get booted and someone that will do what they're told gets appointed in your place.

    Second, her point was that twice as much was being spent on milk as was being spent on books. Hmmm.

    Third, when times are hard, you have to decide what you can afford and what you can't. Rather like now, really.

    And lastly, the attack from Labour over milk was rank hypocrisy when it was Wilson's Labour government that had scrapped milk for secondary school kids, me being one of them, in 1968.


    And as for the economic mess, that wasn't when Thatcher was in power, and when she was, she was dealing with the debt left by years of Labour spending, and the poor growth resulting largely from a couple of decades of militant unionism. It's no coincidence that the UK was known as a economic joke back then, because industrial efficiency was so low. It's the reforms that Thatcher put in place, most of which Blair/Brown's Labour have been careful (much to the Union's annoyance) left in place, which were responsible for the change in economic output, and for the willingness of so many major foreign companies to invest here. While militant unionism ruled the roost, and strikes were breaking out all over the place, they ran a mile from coming here.


    Not everything Thatcher did was right, by any means, but the Milk Snatcher epithet is unfair, and characterising her time in power as causing an economic mess is grossly inaccurate. Unpleasant medicine is always nasty to take, but you're better off taking it than getting more and more ill. That is where all current political parties are being deceitful - none of them will own up to what's coming, to the scale of cuts or to exactly where they'll fall or how they'll be implemented. They're all giving us the mushroom treatment, in a kind of conspiracy of silence. Osborne tried it, with his "time of austerity" speech, and the polls dropped. Now, none of them will own up to it, because they fear the others will claim they're going to make "drastic cuts" (which, of course, they all are, whoever gets elected) and will lose votes over it. None of them wants to be the only one saying it. And they appear to be totally incapable of getting together to announce it jointly. The result ... they treat us like fools. The reaction ..... mass disenchantment with politics, and it's not all because of the expenses farce.

    A pox on all their houses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oclocker View Post
    Margeret (steals milk from babes) thatcher...
    Plus "standard" pasteurised and homogenised milk is pretty bad. Should be Margaret (saved the babies) Thatcher.

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    Re: News - Clegg wins TV debate, but online engagement stutters

    That's reading is it?

    Opposition from the CBI, and a BBC have your say column? I might just say 'read their manifesto' in return, that's reading too, never mind the sheer one-sidedness of it all.

    It's a 100% certainty that the structural deficit can't be cut down by any of the parties without rising tax at some point. Frankly the lib dems have been the most honest and clear about this than any of the other parties, whilst also promising to retrieve and retain money where other parties refuse. Your assertion that they are jumping on a band wagon is a little flawed. Their policies have always been considered radical, and being a liberal party a kooky policy that attempts to address a matter of fairness - no they've collectively bashed the bankers less the many of the more vitriloic MP's in the labour camp.

    I'd love to hear your background of experience in economic matters though.

    Quote Originally Posted by SiM View Post
    The Lib dems are a bunch of clowns. When I saw the headline about their bonus policy my jaw dropped - how can people with such stupidity get votes? They are blatantly jumping on the banker-bashing bandwagon! Also their tax and minimum wage policy, shows no understanding of economics. I urge the guys planning to vote for them to do some homework first, otherwise if they win, in 10 years we will look back and think of Gordon Brown as a great hero!

    I am not saying the other parties are bulletproof policies, it's just that the lib dem's are much, much worse and even an A-Level economics student would be able to tell you that!

    Edit: Some reading for you:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...ed-by-CBI.html
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...ove_their.html
    http://news.efinancialcareers.co.uk/...wsItemId-24825
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