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    News - 3D PC market "at tipping point", according to report.

    Jon Peddie Research predicts bright future for Steroscopic 3D PC market.
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    Re: News - 3D PC market "at tipping point", according to report.

    What is it with 3d at the moment. If it was some super new technology that required no glasses and felt real I'd be all for it but as it is they can keep it!

    I get the feeling the manifictures are desperatly hoping everyone will go out and replace their TV's, PC, Blu-ray players, consoles etc so they can get extra revenue - I some how expect (and hope) they're sadly mistaken.
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    Re: News - 3D PC market "at tipping point", according to report.

    Quote Originally Posted by cheesemp View Post
    What is it with 3d at the moment. If it was some super new technology that required no glasses and felt real I'd be all for it but as it is they can keep it!

    I get the feeling the manifictures are desperatly hoping everyone will go out and replace their TV's, PC, Blu-ray players, consoles etc so they can get extra revenue - I some how expect (and hope) they're sadly mistaken.
    I agree, after seeing it in action I have no interest whatsoever. I think the final part of this research is more likely to be right. Developers won't make good enough games to take advantage of it and as a result it will be a novelty purchase for a very small market.

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    Re: News - 3D PC market "at tipping point", according to report.

    Chances of me paying out for this = zero. Or less. Period.

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    Re: News - 3D PC market "at tipping point", according to report.

    Does anyone 3d game here? Perhaps they mean a tipping point where is disappears into oblivion? If it was near a tipping point I would expect lots of peer chatter about it, not media coverage.
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    Re: News - 3D PC market "at tipping point", according to report.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven W View Post
    Developers won't make good enough games to take advantage of it and as a result it will be a novelty purchase for a very small market.
    The thing is though, developers don't need to take advantage of it to make this work - it can all be done in the traditional way of video drivers and/or hooks. Sure you will always get a better effect if it's done by the developer, but companies like E-Dimensional and NVidia have shown that it's possible to get good 3D effects even with zero support for it in-game.

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    I bought some cheap red/blue glasses and use the iz3d drivers, yes there is problems with colours but dead space/dirt2 etc in 3D is good fun

    Total cost £1.99!

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    Re: News - 3D PC market "at tipping point", according to report.

    Quote Originally Posted by oolon View Post
    Does anyone 3d game here? Perhaps they mean a tipping point where is disappears into oblivion? If it was near a tipping point I would expect lots of peer chatter about it, not media coverage.
    I know nobody with a 3d tv or gaming setup.

    Most people don't even have a blu ray player yet.

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    Re: News - 3D PC market "at tipping point", according to report.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    The thing is though, developers don't need to take advantage of it to make this work - it can all be done in the traditional way of video drivers and/or hooks. Sure you will always get a better effect if it's done by the developer, but companies like E-Dimensional and NVidia have shown that it's possible to get good 3D effects even with zero support for it in-game.
    Couldn't agree more with those sentiments - if NVidia et al want 3D used then the best way to slip it in is to do something that requires no software changes.

    Thinking back about 20 years, I remember eval'ing a Tektronix 4126 stereo 3D terminal. That used active screen and "dumb" glasses (so pretty similar to current tech I guess). The great thing about that was the 3D effect could be configured at the terminal setup level - although I got passable results with the defaults on that terminal. So if Tektronix could do it that long ago, then today's gear should be too - heck the drivers have game specific profiles already, so just extend those?

    By the way, someone want to explain how 3D "adds value" to 'photo editing' (as stated in the article)? All the photo's I take are 2D, and I don't remember seeing announcements recently about any 3D-capable consumer digicams. In fact, apart from items 1, 2, 7 and possibly 3, the list given by JPR looked suspiciously like 3D added "because we can" rather than any genuine need.

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    Re: News - 3D PC market "at tipping point", according to report.

    Quote Originally Posted by handscombmp View Post
    I know nobody with a 3d tv or gaming setup.

    Most people don't even have a blu ray player yet.
    Agreed though you have to take into account that this year it will only be the expensive and high end TV's that have 3d (the ones where they claim to include it free of charge). Next year it will no doubt start trickling down the chain to the lesser models ... but personally I don't think the consumer actually wants 3d and that is the important thing that is being glossed over.

    So to sum up 3d is in effect being forced on the public (you don't have to use that feature though) whether we like it or not because it will generate billions of pound for the entertainment industry in the unlikely event that it does take off.

    Talking to a lot of journos and even reading between the lines of reps for these big companies I don't even think that they are convinced that 3D tech in its current format will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    By the way, someone want to explain how 3D "adds value" to 'photo editing' (as stated in the article)? All the photo's I take are 2D, and I don't remember seeing announcements recently about any 3D-capable consumer digicams.
    They are out there - Fuji have one and it can be found below ;

    http://www.fujifilm.co.uk/consumer/d...eal-3d-w1/View

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee @ SCAN View Post
    They are out there - Fuji have one and it can be found below ;

    http://www.fujifilm.co.uk/consumer/d...eal-3d-w1/View
    Then that really should of been editing 3d photo's.
    I don't see how it would be any help in editing 2d images.

    @crossy, the current system nvidia is pimping is not active monitor passive glasses, it active wireless glasses and very high refreshrate monitor. (120mhz)
    It works by alternating the left and right images each frame, the glasses are a polerise to black, ie a static polerised layer and a flippable polerised layer, so when the 2nd layers polerisation is flipped then lens is effectively blacked out.
    the the polerisation is syncronised with the graphics output so you end up with two sets of image, each being fed to one eye at 60mhz rate.

    IMO the Zalman Trimon system is far supperior, it works more like 3d cinema, the monitor is active, displaying a polerised interlaced image and the glasses are fully passive with each lense being polerised in an oppersit direction.
    The monitor is still reliant on the same nvidia 3d drivers so it is still nvidia gpu only.

    I don't honestly think 3d is going to take off though, in a simular way that ifinity&surround vision hasn't massively taken off, because it they both requier new and more expensive monitors and as many people have already bought new larger wide screen monitors and they are less likely to be willing to go out and buy a more expensive replacement monitor just for the new feature.
    When 3d capable monitors become the most common type (as wide screen now is) then we';; see it take off.
    There's also the addition of the current finanical situation which make it even more unlikely that people will be able to justify the expense of replacing their monitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    I bought some cheap red/blue glasses and use the iz3d drivers, yes there is problems with colours but dead space/dirt2 etc in 3D is good fun

    Total cost £1.99!
    Interesting. How effective is it using the glasses etc? Did you have to pay for the drivers? Sounds like a cheap way of testing the potential 3D effect you can get and to see if you like it without having to pay through the nose for expensive kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GheeTsar View Post
    Interesting. How effective is it using the glasses etc? Did you have to pay for the drivers? Sounds like a cheap way of testing the potential 3D effect you can get and to see if you like it without having to pay through the nose for expensive kit.

    The iz3d driver is free to download and use, when in use you use hotkeys to adjust how 3D it is as such (seperation and convergance).

    I think they idea is they have there own monitor which uses polarisation which is what the driver if for, but it also has the anaglyph mode which lets you use the red and blue glasses.

    As mentioned you will get colour problems, it does have an optimised mode which removes all the bright reds and blues which removes the glaring colours but can wash the imagine out.

    But as a test of if 3D will work for you its worth a couple of quid to have a look. Of course there intention is you then buy there monitor.

    Of course it isn't hardware bound either I am using a 5850, I haven't noticed any significant slow downs either.

    I really can't recommend it enough if you are interesting in 3D, if you already have some glasses just download the driver and go.

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    Re: News - 3D PC market "at tipping point", according to report.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee @ SCAN View Post
    They are out there - Fuji have one and it can be found below ;
    http://www.fujifilm.co.uk/consumer/d...eal-3d-w1/View
    Thanks for that - interesting piece of tech I missed. Nice to see Scan is still on the ball.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pob255 View Post
    @crossy, the current system nvidia is pimping is not active monitor passive glasses, it active wireless glasses and very high refreshrate monitor. (120mhz)
    Oh dear, I remember trying one of those (although it was wired) and wiv' me spec's on too it felt like wearing a welding mask. Definitely not desirable! Thanks for the clarification.

    Couldn't agree more with your last statement in that reply - expecting folks to pony up much dinero in a time of recession for 3D is a bit daft. Still, there's a lot of folks out there willing to blow £400+ on an iPad, so I'm probably way off the pace.

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