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Loved the thriller rendition, made me laugh. Atleast microsoft seems to have a sense of humour. Hopefully they put as much effort into WP7 as they did for the celebrations
If they can pull a stunt like that, the Windows 7 Phone better be good.
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Sounds like a rather arrogant statement to make, to me, I've not used any previous versions of Windows Mobile, but from what I've heard, they weren't that great, I'm a big fan of Android, and I don't think Microsoft have what it takes to shift the lead that Android and iOS (not so much RIM) have on them unless they've improved pretty much everything about the OS... I mean, it's gonna have be what Seven was to Vista... And lets face it, that was a massive improvement.
I cant see it being all that and a bag of fish tbh, my next phone is gonna be an android...
previous versions of Windows Mobile were way ahead of the time, but they did a classic microsoft, just like IE4 was re-defining, they just went "ok x has been done, it can never get better, lets move on" and they left winmo, abandoned, loved like a welsh ginger orphan.
playing with the emulator its certainly got the best interface out of anything on the market, its very quick to give you lots of information, that I value in a homescreen (ie the iPhone is a crock of dung in this regard).
for us devs they have been doing a lot, its got by far and away the nicest (ok, lets say most modern in case your not a fan of XAML) toolkit for deving applications in, and as for games, any developer will tell you DirectX is on the whole easier than OpenGL, and they've tied it in with XNA.
XNA has been around for a while now, there are games on the xbox market place which can run on the WP7 platform with minimal adjustments (if they happened to be written by someone with a crystal ball obviously). as such the launch day games should be OK, but with the tie in to xbox live this could well become the gamers mobile phone.
Hardware wise, by going partner route they hopefully will get some great handsets, if the HD7 lives up to its hype it will probably be my next mobile phone.
Android is just too fragmented, it has sod all games right now and most apps are not well presented. They have made it a lot easier to write android apps recently, but they still do not make it as simple to do cool effects as silverlight does, or even apple with this silly objective-C (I've never heard a developer say "oh that was a good idea, I'd copy that" when dealing with the apple API).
Things like Zune pass mean this could also offer quite unique selling points.
So my theory is it will be the best phone out on the market, microsoft will easily beat android in the high end market, dent the apple share only a little, then 5 years later think they have made the best phone ever, close the dev team, no new innovation will happen it will look stale and placid. History will repeat.
But you'd be crazy to buy any phone before october, because even if its a bit of lemon, its competition from a big player which will push prices down. The hype, the investment and the partners show a very different path from the Kin.
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The thing is with mobiles now a days they just keep improving and MS cant sit on its arse like then have done with the desktop OS, they will need to be constantly on the ball with updates etc and nailing things like the marketplace.
I want it to be great, but we'll see...otherwise it's probably going to be android for me next after I'm done with this temp Symbian phone.
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Just saw some [teaser / possible] specs for the HD7, I really want something like that!
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Yeah the HD7 or the Desire HD will be the next phone.
There are places giving the HD7 a pretty huge spec sheet, from a single 1.5Ghz CPU to a dualcore 1.5Ghz, 1.5 I can believe, 1.5 dual, no, Qualcomm arent that far advanced yet.
32Gb on the phone and 32Gb card, thing thats a bit far, 1280x800 screen, erm wtf
Yea, I read dual core, 1.5, but a ARM chip. :-\
yup, 1280 x 800 seemed quite insane / dubious.
The current snapdragon is ARM based, I can see it shrinking and moving up to 1.5Ghz but dual core as well as a speed boost, I dont think so, and I cant see WM7 knowing what to do with dual core, especially as theres been talk of there being no multitasking...
Oh Trig.
It multitasks, they just don't let plebian developers such as myself write apps that work in the background. It has a very similar feal to the multitasking in the iPhone 4, an app gets put into hybernate or suspend.
The comment about the desktop OS is completely wrong, they didn't rest on their collective lorrals at all, they had a big ass money fight, wasting millions on all sorts of features which never saw the light of day.
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The time to celebrate will be when we see an actual retail phone reviewed
Months of talk and hype so far
You can check out the SDK, run up the emulator, read the documentation. There is even a book on the matter.
The only question is the hardware from the partners, now as there is no one phone, hopefully competition will drive them to do quite cool bits of kit, we know what HTC is capable of, and I'd love a replacement for my HD2, that has geoDefense of course.
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tbh I dont know a load about the backend of phone OS's, I know that under Sence WM is still pretty much the same from WM5 that my old Wizard/Axim run.Originally Posted by TheAnimus
As for devs not being allowed to make apps that run in the background, I have no idea how that works, from my pov would it not be an idea to put in the app/OS a marker, so an app will run in the background until it hits a certain state, at which point it is put into suspend/hibernate when the app is happy to do so, again not my bag so could be an imposibility..
Again, if I'm wrong its my lack of knowledge other than as an end user, doesnt matter how much money they spend if the results never see the light of day, as I see it there is not much difference between WM5/WM6 hence my comment about them sitting on there arses...
arse resting was in relation to desktop OS, I don't think thats fair.
WM5, hell yes, it looks like they had about 3 devs working on it, and one of them had to leave part way through to go to uni.....
The thing is WM7 is completely new, there is no backwards compatibility at all. That makes things a heck of a lot easier.
For apps wanting to sleep and resume with stateful triggers, they can chain to certain events (such as SMS) but there is a current no to all background CPU eating for 3rd party apps, that aren't special. I personally don't like this, and think they need to find a better way of showing to the user "oh its xxxx that is killing my battery". Heck even for games that might be quite good.
The real issue is the lack of basic things like copy n paste. That is ment to be coming in a software update.
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