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Maybe it's to clear 5XXX inventory before they launch. According to Charlie D, the 68XX series is one month behind the 67XX series based on when they taped out, but that assumes they will be rushed to market as soon as they are ready.
I wonder how much the 5870s will drop in price? I hope so anyway, I want to go CF .Quote:
Originally Posted by GheeTsar
It may be overly picky on my part, but since AMD haven't announced any official, or even unofficial, launch dates for the 6k series (AFAIK, anyway) it seems a bit harsh to talk about them being "delayed"... I mean, it's not like the Fermi situation, is it ;)
Was about to say the same thing jim. Date speculation is as much about throwing off your competitors than anything else :p
A second 5850 would tempt me if cheap enough for some crossfire fun, it does seem feature wise there is nothing much better than the 5***s, its just raw horse power.
Fudzilla now thinks that there will be a launch in October still:
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/ite...ck-to-november
Presumably this just means that press have been invited to an announcement on October 12, and it might not be a launch of any new hardware. Even if it is, we won't know until the time exactly which variants will be announced. Even then, it doesn't mean that they'll be available for some time. At least it's rumoured that when they are available, there'll be enough to go around, or at least give a chance of getting hold of one.
^^ was typing that when you beat me ;) - peter scot at fudzilla has an update saying the launch will be `on time` and expect lots in retail in november - maybe some word from scan about pre order availability as `inside` knowledge??
I saw this too. As far as I understood it, the 'delay' was always more about retail availability than anything else. Press briefing is bound to be earlier though.Quote:
Originally Posted by snubby
And I agree with comments about date speculation on un-announced products...but hey, it's a slow news day :p
And more importantly, potential price drop. I think that's the take away message here. The HD 6000 cards will arrive as soon as they're ready.
I dunno, Scan were one of the big nvidia Fermi launch partners - are ATIAMD* still speaking to them? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HalloweenJack
*still can't get used to that :rolleyes:
I have to admit i thought the launch date was november... i geuss i should keep up on my launch dates and stop drooling over leaked spec.
Nvidia's cards haven't beaten ATI's cards. Is there any reason for the 6000 series?
Progress of technology? ATI/AMD need to keep producing top quality products rather than relying on a single generation, otherwise they will stagnate. It's not really about beating Nvidia, it can also be about getting current ATI users to upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by OilSheikh
Nvidia still have the fastest single chip card in the market. Im suer AMD want that title back and to keep up as much preasure on nvidia as it possibly can. Its the same way as in*el keep pushing chips even thugh AMD have nothing to challenge there top end.Quote:
Originally Posted by OilSheikh
Given the lead time on products is several years, I guess they assumed nVidia would have a competitor by now. The 460 shows they got close, but it's all about the mid range.Quote:
Originally Posted by OilSheikh
If you get a lead you need to maintain it by releasing better products ahead of your competitors catch-up efforts, stay one step ahead as Intel do with AMD.Quote:
Originally Posted by OilSheikh
The GTX460 is very good and compelling, people will go the extra £0-£50 over a 5770 for the greater speed, the 450 is completes well with the 5850. So AMDATI need to get back ahead, and before NVidia refresh the high end with a 275/285 or a 295 they'll want to have their new cards out.
ATI (I'm going to keep calling them that; going to hate how cleaning crap off my computer I am no longer going to be able to differentiate between old CPU and CPU drivers/nick nacks/rubbish) are going along the lines of the intel tic toc approach. IMO we're not seeing so much competition as continual evolution much as intel are ahead of AMD (as above).
There is no way the 450 competes with the 5850; we're talking 5750 levels.
Given that ATI is now AMD, they know all about what happens if you get a narrow performance / value lead then sit on it ;) September 2003 - Athlon 64 (in FX51 form) takes a substantial performance lead. Intel fail to beat it with Prescott, so AMD just keep tweaking the same old parts for the next three years, slowly upping the clock speeds, then sticking two cores on the same die for native dual-core processing. July 2006 - Core 2. AMD *still* hasn't recovered from that, 4 years later.Quote:
Originally Posted by OilSheikh
That's why AMD needs the Radeon 6000 series now, and why they'll need the 7000 series next November, etc. They don't want another Core 2...
They have and they haven't - the 480 caused much nerd rage but it's still the fastest single gpu card period (and for me the dual AMD gpu is just too much money). The 460 is much more appealing - i'd probably go for two in SLI right now. That said i'm happy to wait an see what the new AMD card has to offer - i'm not married to one or the other really - and i'm not desperate for a new card (still!) just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by OilSheikh
Certainly whatever your flavour there's good choice and good performance but not enough of a gap to really sway me entirely one way or the other right now. Should be different with these new AMD cards :)