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Nobody really knows what's going on at MS - is WPF the future? Silverlight? HTML5? Why are different teams using different technologies?
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How could anyone be surprised about this? Despite all Microsoft's blustering about .Net/Silverlight being 'multiplatform', it's only true as long as it's a Microsoft platform.
Originally Posted by Agent
(except for the moonlight port....)
Silverlight has good ideas, its not perfect but next to javascript and html its the fricken renasounce in computer form.
But Microsoft always strikes me as like a hurd of kittens, some of them are going the right way, and with that many kittens some would have to be by the stochastic nature.
WPF and Silverlight were ment to merge, that may still happen there are plenty of issues in WPF they were able to fix in silverlight, but the fact two technologies so similar can emerge from MS shows just how the seperate limbs do not talk.
HTML5 is bollocks for large scale apps, its a nightmare, its missing a lot of the concepts developers take for granted. It has its place and is an improvement, but yes, I'm going to really write this real time trading platform in HTML5 aren't I!?
When google docs is almost useable, then I might give a damn, but really, right now, no.
Also anyone who feels betrayed by their technology not been the favourate son needs to seriously evaluate their business model. VBA is still be supported ffs, and no one has liked that, ever!
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Microsoft in no unified corporate strategy along with infighting and a lack of internal communication shocker!
MS are nothing more than the American version of BT these days. Steve Balmer needs to start whipping his company into shape.
"In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penises, taken Viagra and are looking for a new relationship."
Or leave, and find someone competent as a replacement. Without scaring them off, Ray Ozzie style.
Indeed!
The guy seems to be a liability for the kind of thing they do, ok he might be able to light a fire so they produce a decent browser, or they make a very impressive first cut rebuild mobile OS, but they never think to do it before hand, or have a co-ordinated vision.
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Every time someone shoves .NET in my face as 'ze only soluztion' - I just ask, very quietly, how much support for it is in Windows 7.. Or what WPF really sits on.. There's a good reason why the Windows team ignore .NET.
Do the office team even use it yet?
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oh there is lots .Net not suitable for, but there is much of win7 built in it, lots of the new stuff the windows live suite etc.
However office is just such a pig, you know the whole ribbon UI they actually maintained backwards compatability with the windows class names? I mean seriously! There is code in excel from the 80s, also you know they had their own compiler and bunches of assembly in line.
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articl...000000007.html
So I can imagine its very hard to change much in that space.
But the thing is MS has so many technologies, Zune media player is really rather nifty, but its written all in XNA despite on the surface looking like it should be a demo project for WPF.
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Somebody said it well. Balmer is a great General, but no President. They need an ideas guy with a vision at the top, not just a day to day guy who gets the numbers working for this year only.
At least Microsoft is manning it up and admitting that Silverlight hasn't replaced flash and is now targeting it at what it is actually used for.
They could put Rafa Benitez in charge.
I understand he's very much an ideas guy.
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I disagree in part (respectfully) - live isn't part of Windows and I can't see anything there in .NET at all otherwise.. Every new shiny feature has a COM API and MS themselves provide .NET wrappers to shoehorn .NET apps onto their platform without interop being too visible. Given the insane focus on performance (performance, performance) for the project none of this is shocking. We're a hell of a long way away from a managed OS right now.
Personally, I believe that the core products for MS - office, windows - have so much sway they can steer their own path independent of the development divisions own ideas. They're untouchable. In fact, when you think about "what does MS ship in managed code?" the only obvious examples are Visual Studio itself and perhaps Expression.
Now, don't get me wrong - there's plenty to like about .NET in the WPF era - but the all or nothing approach of some doesn't half get on my tits.
Oh, and Balmer's a monkey.
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Which has never worked.
http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight they might beg to differ!
The thing is MS has no interest in developing it for the platform, but unlike flash and even java its based on ECMA standards.
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KIN, you mean? Not so impressive. WP7 would be the second cut rebuild.
Zune we could argue before that.
WP7 is quite diffferent to kin and was in dev with a different team too.
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