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    News - Mozilla dev wants Microsoft, Apple and Google to stop being evil

    Asa Doltzer blasts companies for surreptitiously installing plugins without asking.
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    Re: News - Mozilla dev wants Microsoft, Apple and Google to stop being evil

    I'm sure they'll stop being evil, right about the time Mozilla starts managing memory competently.
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    ...every time Creative bring out a new card range their advertising makes it sound like they have discovered a way to insert a thousand Chuck Norris super dwarfs in your ears...

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    Re: News - Mozilla dev wants Microsoft, Apple and Google to stop being evil

    I paid good money for my ram so I am more than happy for firefox to use it, I never got this thing of people complaining about programs using ram, I would rather it all got used rather than sit empty.

    I do agree that they should ask before installing these things, I have removed such add-ons myself but I don't think everybody looks.

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    Re: News - Mozilla dev wants Microsoft, Apple and Google to stop being evil

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    I'm sure they'll stop being evil, right about the time Mozilla starts managing memory competently.
    Nice use of a relevance

    Could Firefox themselves be partly to blame?
    Is it possible they should have something on their side which gives you the option to be prompted in the event any third party plugs are trying to install themself?

    Either way i am totally with him, we should be asked by these companies if we want the plug ins installed.

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    Re: News - Mozilla dev wants Microsoft, Apple and Google to stop being evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    I paid good money for my ram so I am more than happy for firefox to use it, I never got this thing of people complaining about programs using ram, I would rather it all got used rather than sit empty.
    I suspect you don't leave FF open for a few days at a time with large numbers of tabs being used?

    It's not simply a matter of it using lots of RAM (although it often exceeds 1GB) - what annoys me is its involvement of CPU cycles - it freezes and maxes out a core for several seconds at a time, once it appears to be having memory management issues.

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    Re: News - Mozilla dev wants Microsoft, Apple and Google to stop being evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    I paid good money for my ram so I am more than happy for firefox to use it, I never got this thing of people complaining about programs using ram, I would rather it all got used rather than sit empty.
    And I'd rather unused RAM be managed by the OS for caches and buffers which work, than being filled with dereferenced objects (leaked mem) and extremely stale cache objects, because the application developer is too incompetent to manage memory.

    My computer does more than just browse the tubes, so I expect there to be memory available for other actually productive tasks I perform.
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    Re: News - Mozilla dev wants Microsoft, Apple and Google to stop being evil

    Was the article called 'Firefox dev discusses his software's RAM usage'?

    No it wasn't it was about 3rd party companies installing plug ins without the users consent which i think is a perfectly good discussion topic, please take the RAM usage discussions elsewhere.

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    Re: News - Mozilla dev wants Microsoft, Apple and Google to stop being evil

    It's indirectly related, Mozilla is being evil by gobbling up all our mem!
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    Re: News - Mozilla dev wants Microsoft, Apple and Google to stop being evil

    Just to be simple, if you don't like firefox then don't use it... problem solved.

    As said personally I have no problems with firefox, that might just be my usage in comparison to my spec, lets me honest if if firebox is using a lot of ram how many times as it pushed you past you limit?

    I have only ever bounced off the limit with 3d rendering and some video authoring, the rest of the time the ram is free to be used.
    Last edited by Percy1983; 02-12-2010 at 04:33 PM.

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    Re: News - Mozilla dev wants Microsoft, Apple and Google to stop being evil

    Skype installs a FF plugin automatically too.

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    Re: News - Mozilla dev wants Microsoft, Apple and Google to stop being evil

    I agree with Asa. I hate all the plugins that are added by stupid companies to my FF without me knowing what they are.

    I can't even remove them (only disable them). I don't even know what they are for and whether I really need them.

    It is not a trend I like.

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