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    News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    After weeks of feverish speculation Nokiasoft is created to take on Apple and Google in smartphones.
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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    Just what I was afraid of. I just don't see this as doing much for Nokia and I just see it as a free boost for Windows Mobile. I switched from Nokia (All but one of my previous phones) to Android last year and now I see no reason to ever go Nokia again (Sorry I know some of you are big Windows Mobile fans, I just don't want it).
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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    Poor MeeGo. I was quite hopeful that would give my N900 a new breath of life, guess I might as well dump it and go buy a htc or something now.

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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    I think you will probably find more android than Winmo fans on here bud!

    Personally i think this is a good move from Nokia, Symbian is outdated and rubbish. No-one wants it and they need a new angle. Hardware wise they can and do make good stuff so what it needs is some flash new software to compliment it. Winmo 7 might still be quite young but after having a play with it i have to say i was impressed, it was really quite nice to use. If Nokia can take some of the things they have learned from Symbian to Winmo and Microsoft can slap Nokia into realizing they are not the mac daddy anymore and need to listen to what the public want there may be a success story to be told.

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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    Quote Originally Posted by cheesemp View Post
    Just what I was afraid of. I just don't see this as doing much for Nokia and I just see it as a free boost for Windows Mobile. I switched from Nokia (All but one of my previous phones) to Android last year and now I see no reason to ever go Nokia again (Sorry I know some of you are big Windows Mobile fans, I just don't want it).
    Why affriad of it? Symbian was a turd. It has one of the worst APIs I've ever seen, you have to use Objective C to come up with more strange and perverse concepts.

    WP7 is lacking in so many ways, the API set is very nicely written, but just to small.

    As a developer I love how I can use Recative Extensions type programming to functionally in a procedural langauge express the program workflow. Silverlight makes making something look 'cool' very easy.

    But why, pray microsoft, can I not record from the microphone in an application? *shakes fist*.

    Andriod user interface is really far behind the WP7 one, you don't need to use it long to find out. It is however missing features.

    The problem is what does nokia bring to the party, their maps? They have a very good production facillity for low cost hardware I suppose. But are they really able to churn them out for less than HTC or Samsung?
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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    Yes symbian was awful - I had the N96 and regretted the purchase more than anything else I've every owned. I was just really hoping they'd adopt Android - I've been using it for a year now and love it. Its just the hardware that lets it down - something Nokia are great at. What I'm afraid of is this being another nail in the coffin of Nokia - I think its going to be very hard for Windows Mobile ecosystem to develop as the Android/iOS ones are now so large.
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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    Quote Originally Posted by cheesemp View Post
    What I'm afraid of is this being another nail in the coffin of Nokia -
    Nah, your wrong. This will give Nokia a completely new lease of life. Nokia will now concentrate on what they did best - making phones and let an experienced software company do the software side of things for them.

    I see one side of an arguement for Android on a Nokia device, but there are more than enough Android handsets now on the market that are very good. With Nokia and Windows the consumer has more choice again.

    Windows mobile 7 is very good for an early mobile os, but lacked afforable handsets. With Nokia on board we will see alot more handsets at all price ranges and competition will be rife between Nokia/Microsoft and Android handsets makers.

    Also with more Windows handsets on the market means more support from Microsoft and more development.

    Three real os's to choose from is all good for the consumer, each os now supported by good hardware. Probably the real looser might be Apple as they only appeal to the high end market where we know alot of people are adopting Android instead.

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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    Quote Originally Posted by cheesemp View Post
    Yes symbian was awful - I had the N96 and regretted the purchase more than anything else I've every owned. I was just really hoping they'd adopt Android - I've been using it for a year now and love it. Its just the hardware that lets it down - something Nokia are great at. What I'm afraid of is this being another nail in the coffin of Nokia - I think its going to be very hard for Windows Mobile ecosystem to develop as the Android/iOS ones are now so large.
    Hmm I wouldn't really agree, its not normally the hardware letting down android, its often the batterylife. Andriod has the most feature rich web browser on the market, but even with flash turned off it still runs like a big turd that just won't leave no matter how hard you squeeze.

    On slower hardware the WP7 browser which is comparatively primitive with no flash or even on page silverlight (apparently thats Q3/4 this year), however it is faster than any of those I've seen on a desire HD or Galaxy S, despite been slower and cheaper hardware.

    Now I don't know how much of that is the extra functionality, but when you compare the andriod interface with the Metro UI, it is just not in the same league.

    The question comes are Nokia able to lead the development of the extra features which are wanted.
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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    removing Meego from their mass-market strategy is a stupid, stupid decision!

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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    I really don't know why Nokia doesn't make multi handsets for various OSs like HTC does???

    If they follow HTC model and just start making good smartphones, they will regain their share market because the Nokia's brand is so much more powerful.

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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix View Post
    removing Meego from their mass-market strategy is a stupid, stupid decision!
    Explain? From where im sitting it doesn't seem to have done them any good so far and they should have canned the idea long ago.

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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    Shakes head.

    I guess that is it for Nokia. I was holding off buying a new phone because I was waiting to see what they would come out with Meego. Instead we will get endless dumbed down and locked down windows phones, which in my view are even worse than iPhones. I guess I will be buying Android, or perhaps a webOS device.

    Don't get me wrong, Symbian was weak. It has been showing it's age for years, and should have been scaled back to a supporting role 18 months ago, but on an E-Series phone it is stable, reliable and does not talk down to you. The problem with iOS, and Windows 7, is that in an effort to make them attactive to look at, and easy to use, they leave out features, and settings. Like you can't have more than one app running, or apps have to use a single (strange) UI pardigm.

    My other problem with windows 7 OS, is that it is locked down and does not allow side loading of apps or content. After Apple's latest shenegans to try and squeese money from everything that touches their phones. (Sorry, I thought I owned my phone), I don't want a smart phone where the manufactuer has the power of veto over what apps go on my phone.

    Symbian has always allowed side loading (untill recently it was the only way to gets apps onto a phone), Android, WebOS, and Maemo also support it. I would still use the offical app store most of the time, but the fact that it is not compusory keeps the phone manufactuers honest, and means that there are no silly restrictions on what apps can appear.

    Quote Originally Posted by usxhe190 View Post
    I really don't know why Nokia doesn't make multi handsets for various OSs like HTC does???

    If they follow HTC model and just start making good smartphones, they will regain their share market because the Nokia's brand is so much more powerful.
    That is what I thought Nokia would do, and I am supprised that they have not. That would have been the best solution. They cold have made and sold some nice Windows phones for people who like that sort of pretty but simplfied and crippled interface, while at the same time maintaing S60 for legacy users, Meego as an ongoing skunkworks project, and S40 for lower end dumb phones.

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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    Quote Originally Posted by chrestomanci View Post
    That is what I thought Nokia would do, and I am supprised that they have not. That would have been the best solution. They cold have made and sold some nice Windows phones for people who like that sort of pretty but simplfied and crippled interface, while at the same time maintaing S60 for legacy users, Meego as an ongoing skunkworks project, and S40 for lower end dumb phones.
    I just look at what the CEO said and it is all crap. They somehow must have got exclusive on WP7 because if they didn't get exclusive, their partnership with Microsoft is so stupid.

    Even if they get exclusive, if they want to consumer market, they need huge marketing like Apple does to create the fanboys coz WP7 is like the equivalent of iPhone iOS - restrictive crap.

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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    I kinda hoped they'd pull a partnership with HP out of the bag

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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    [vader]Nooooooo![/vader]

    I've been using a Nokia as my main device since 1994 and was going to get a E7, now I won't and I am certainly not interested in dumbed-down WP7.

    Looks like my E72 will be my final Nokia...

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    Re: News - Nokia and Microsoft confirm mobile ecosystem partnership

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    Explain? From where im sitting it doesn't seem to have done them any good so far and they should have canned the idea long ago.
    'long ago' they only got started developing it, now it's reached an end-user stable state and they're canning it, that's what's technically refereed to as pissing money down the drain.

    Farewell, Nokia, it was nice while it lasted.

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