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£90 is alot for what is a CPU cooler. People who are in the market for water cooling and are willing to spend that kind of money are probably going to want the option to water cool their GPU too.
£80 is also alot what is a CPU only cooler.
£10 difference between the two models is not much, makes you wonder how high the profit margin is on the H80.
Neither seem good value for money, for what is only a CPU cooler.
They should look at kits that are expandable - kinda like Thermaltake, but without the rubbish performance.
Summed it up nicely... me personally watercooling was for noise and better performance with noise being the biggest factor.
Ek supreme hf cpu block or something similar - £40
Basic pump -£30
Basic 240 rad - £30
thats £100 for something that can be expanded at a later date... watercooling isnt cheap as most people know but these all i ones are getting to the point where you might as well do your own!
Only you're missing barbs, hose, some kind of anti-algae additive, and the hassle of trying to prime and run a resless system yourself (not an easy task)... you get the picture. A simple sealed unit for people looking for optimal *and easy* CPU cooling is a good idea for people who want to overclock without worrying about whether their cooling system is going to spring a leak and fritz their expensive enthusiast rig... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks12
Agreed - what with all the extra bits you actually need to build a watercooling loop, bringing the price well above £100, and all the extra hassle (fun for some) of setting up and maintenance, this is really a nobrainer for those looking to cool just their CPU. The H100 is the first sealed loop system I've come across that looks capable of doing as good a job as most custom loops.Quote:
Originally Posted by scaryjim
When I was watercooling (CPU only, btw, I had no desire to shell out £50+ for each GPU block) I used a triple radiator (yes, I was going for overkill :D) but had this been on the market then I would almost certainly have bought this intead of my £150+ custom loop.
Some very mixed reviews of the H70 kit, I do wonder how the H80 kit will do.
Being that most (if not all) all in one water kits don't perform any better than a good air cooler, I don't see why you would bother to pay the premium - they are no more quiet either - going by reviews.
Water cooling has lost lot of appeal over the last few years. Even I don't bother now and I have some extreme stuff a few years back. I've found that there are plenty of good air coolers for CPU and GPU that work silently and can cost a fifth of the money.
Everything has got a little too expensive and air cooling is so much more efficient than it was. Just when modern cases are catering for water cooling, less people are getting on board.
You forget it also comes with that corsair link that gives you loads of information about how the cooler is running.
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http://www.corsair.com/media/catalog...connectors.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Corsair
Looking at the pictures (see above) you can also drive a few extra fans directly from the cooling block, if you can get that information back into windows this whole thing might prove to be a quite impressive hub for control and monitoring of temperatures. Seems expensive but im game if the reviews are good!
Its a fair point i did that in a reasonable rush but the performance gains are not as good as a custom setup.
Shall i add up the cost of barbs etc?
2 for the cpu block, 2 for the rad 2 for the pump, if we use compressions thats 6x £2.65 = £15.9
biocide, £2.90 Mayhems and it will last AGES, coolant... £4 for 5 Litres at halfords plenty as you only need 500-1.5L a loop, tubing is £2 per metre and you need about 2m per loop so thats £4 which totals to
£22.8+ the previous post = £122.8, the corsair costs £90... £30 in it and you have a much more expandable loop, a gpu block can be had for £30... Ek Supreme HF VGA is a solid block and all you need is £5 of ramsinks and your sorted.... future use is safe to as its a gpu chip only :).
These need to get back down to £60 really, yes the ease of use and the hassle of these All in one units is excellent but personally id just get a nice air cooled heatsink and save the cash.
I currently have a more modest setup of:
Laing DDC 18w pump - £25
Dual bay res with mounting for ddc pumps - £45
ek supreme hf vga block - £30
ek supreme hf cpu block - £40
XSPC RX360 radiator - £30
XSPC RS240 radiator - £15
Total: £185
I got most of my stuff second hand, agreed on buying a high end watercooling setup from new is to expensive now (unless i won the lottery hehe) so i bought second hand rads/pumps, and its brilliant... quiet and extremely reliable as its never broken! And my gpu runs at 19C/22C idle/load, cpu runs at 30C/35C idle load, im adding a second gpu later and it will certainly be watercooled. This setup was built for future use and can handle easily 700W+ heat, its going for Bulldozer or I7 and some high end gpu's when the next series come out or else i wouldnt have had so much :).
Now the main thing i see is that the cpu isnt very hot at all anymore, the gpu is easily double the cpu now adays and i cant seem to see any all in one kits for the gpu but i seem to recall coolit doing one for like £150? you add that to your corsair cpu only loop and thats easily the same as watercooling on its own but again less versatile just easier to install.
But ofc that is purely my opinion, if you want to dip into watercooling its not to bad but i think at the performance level most of them deliver similar to the nocta and thermalright heatsinks.
I wouldn't even consider the H100 dipping into watercooling, since there's no hands-on setup or maintenance to anywhere near the same level - it's a set and forget thing as though it were an air cooler. I just expect it to offer the same performance as a moderate w/c setup.
I had the RX360, excellent for quietness due to the wide fin spacing - good choice :)
If you go for i7 you'll notice the heat, their Tjmax is at 100°C as you may know. Granted, not as high as modern graphics cards, but pretty close. At one point I had four 8800/9800GTs + i7@4.45GHz, all folding merrily away - even with the CPU heat being dumped outside the case, all the GPUs were in the 90s and I kept having to adjust their clocks depending on what work unit they were doing, just to keep them below around 100 :(
PS - you've also got to add in cost of fans ;)
oh yeah forgot fans! Yate loons, £2 or £3 each :P.
An RX alone should be able to handle like 750W with temps 15C above water temp it does really depend on the fans ofc as the higher the rpm the more heat it can handle :).
i couldnt afford that many gpu's!
i have the H50 as i got it very cheap but in terms of cooling performance over my old hyper 212+ i cant see the difference if im honest
i just can't see the point in watercooling CPUs anymore - not only have air coolers become insanely effecient but also the CPUs they're cooling can either be pushed comfortably or don't need to be pushed at all.
I'm not going to need to OC my 2500 for a few years and when i do the cooler on it (noctua DH14) will handle the job fine. load temps atm rarely go above 45-50c, hell even my GPUs max out around 60c, and for the cost of watercooling it all i could just buy more powerful hardware
My point exactly. Heatsinks are so effective now at removing heat that one of the things that made water cooling appealing 3-5 years ago has gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunnah
Also modern heatsinks for CPU's and GPU's can be run silent too. Again another thing that was appealing for a water cooling set up that can be achieved using air cooling at a fraction of the cost and hassle.
I got them all second hand for £35-£40 each :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks12
I was really struggling with temperatures for a while actually :help: my CPU was hovering in the high 90s all summer.
It probably wasn't the best example of that chip and needed 1.4V+ to hit that speed stably (high for an i7). Plus it was ridiculously hot outside and the room temperature was above 30°C. And finally, I used only a T-line instead of a proper reservoir and I was never quite convinced I'd gotten all the bubbles out. Oh, and it was cooling the motherboard too (or heating it up, lol) as I had the UD7 which has a waterblock built in.
But the hardware was all topnotch (Apogee XT waterblock, Laing D5 pump, San Ace fans + shrouds) so it was doing my nut in trying to figure it out for a while :/