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The developer of the award-winning Elder Scrolls series may be staring irony in the face, but does it have a point?
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The developer of the award-winning Elder Scrolls series may be staring irony in the face, but does it have a point?
Compared with the £45 games of old, a typical £28 for a new, epic, PC game these days is fantastic value, or you don't mind waiting (the games don't go off or anything!) bargains are even better with sales.
The CE is a way to allow fans to increase their market power - without them games will be produced for the lowest common denominator - but if a minority are willing to pay more to gain equivalence then they'll be listened to more carefully.
The Basic Editions should be lower in price, i think that is what he is getting at, CE/SE/LE can be priced appropriately taking into consideration what they include.
How does $150 work out as £130, shouldn't it be more like £90-95?
I am not going to pay 20 quid for 4-5 hours play (That isn't even an evenings enjoyment). Got to love how 40 for 10-15 get you more game for your money. So what they are saying is they want to charge even more for games.
It really annoys me the way games are feeling incomplete these days, rush it out the door / fix it later... no content... fine we will sell you more later. The burn off period were it goes from premium to budget is getting smaller and smaller. I shall continue to wait 6 months after release before buying "new" games...
The UK price includes VAT. Still, should be more like £110 or so, though compared to the EU price it's about right, so maybe some cost for EU logistics, given they're an american company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yosh
I'm all for cheaper entry price and then DLC, if you like the game buy more until you're bored of it... extra zones, new missions, new units etc.
Of course some games are better value than others, the Total War series has endless replay. Steam clocks me at 340 hours for Empire, and 120 and counting for Shogun II.
Thats why I usually wait for sales/budget editions on the PC. I'm happy to wait and pay £5 on steam/amazon/play in a years time for a single player game (this is especially true for me as I rarely complete games so £30 is too much in most cases). Only exception for this is Battlefield (due to online gaming) and Mass effect however this time i might wait for ME3 - I got 2 on pre-order and it dropped to half price on PC with two months!
It also seems these days that every new release on steam gets a you a free item on TF2, its no longer feeling special any more.
I'm not. I expect to buy a game that stand on it's own, and that's the basis on which I've bought Elder Scrolls releases for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingpotnoodle
What I'm not going to do is join what amounts to a subscription model, where you don't know what it's going to cost you going in, and where they dribble bits of money out of you in small increments. I'm not going to be a cash cow that's going to volunteer to be milked, and that'd how I see that model. I might, or might not, buy expansion packs but I'm not interested in buying half a game and then paying for the rest as DLC. If TES goes that way, they lose me.
As for value, I don't see that "Collectors Edition" as being aimed at gamers. It's aimed at collectors, or gamers that are also collectors. Would I pay £40 for a good game? Yes, and have done for a very long time. Would I pay even £5 extra for a model of a dragon, an art book and a "making of" CD? Would I hell. Because I'm not a collector, not of that kind of stuff anyway.
But good games have always been expensive, and I remember paying £30 or more back in the late '70s, for games for an Apple II. That price, given earnings back then and inflation since, makes £40 for a good game now look positively like a bargain. We have seen the real-terms price of so many things come down over the years, and in the high-tech arena, come down a LOT, that we come to expect more and more for our money all the time. In many areas (though not so much tech products), my bet is that that party is now over.
Been doing that for ages. Unless you feel a driving need to be playing the latest game as it comes out, perhaps because of playing others online, that strategy saves a huge amount of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheesemp
I always "try before I buy", some think it's wrong but as you cannot take games back any more and say "its crap", they have forced our hands. When you can pay £40 for a game and you hate it after 5 minutes, yet you cannot return it for a refund or replace it for another title? It's hardly surprising that so many games get shovelled out unfinished, untested and uncared for.
The recent surge of DLC does not help either. Take Black Ops for instance.....its the same COD engine that's been used for a while, different maps, different skins, killstreaks renamed. It's still near top-whack price even though we have been slapped around with MW3 trailers for months.....the map packs have had 1 measly discount on them since they were released....
In fact on steam now it costs:
BO £39.99
ACP £11.49
ECP £11.49
FSCP £11.49
Total = £74.49
What does each pack add? 3 multiplayer maps and a zombie map....a number of the maps being from previous COD games!
It's a joke and then you look at stuff like this and you realise just how much they are trying to take punters for a ride. I just find it amazing that Bethesda can make it sound like they are different at all, they have greedy shareholders who always want to see a phat quarter, I guess a $150 CE will go some way to placating those shareholders.
£40 is a lot for most games. There are a select few that I would (and have) paid that much for - including StarCraft II for example (actually that was a bit more as i got the collectors edition).
I tend to work like this - if its a game that I am really looking forward to, then I will generally be buying it on PC and as such won't be paying more than £30 for it. Typically it will cost me £20-£25 (buying retail copies - i don't go in for the overpriced digital versions). Otherwise I might pick it up for my PS3 - but here I won't usually buy it new, as I think £40-£45 is a complete rip off for a console game, especially when DLC will be released shortly after for another £10, but I'll pick up a pre-owned copy for £20-£25 again. The exception is for the big ones like COD (which I get on console for the MP experience, and because it's not a "serious" game like BF3)
It's a fair price as far as I am concerned, and publishers do it time and time again on the PC (almost every new PC game can be had for under £30)..so it can be done.
I don't think I've ever paid more than £30 for a game, and that includes many new releases. £40 is too much, let alone £130!
Ah yes, the VAT, £20 for logistics is extreme though, don't you think? :undecidedQuote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
I remember basic versions of n64 games being £55, I still only get games when they drop to around £30 though, purely because I'm rarely in a big rush to buy a game
Pricing should read - $149.99 (US), €149.99 (Europe), £129.99 (UK) and A$199.99 (Australia).
It's also not helped by the fact that there will indeed be no demo for Skyrim, making that decision to part with your cash somewhat more difficult.