Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 18

Thread: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    31,709
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    2,060 times in 719 posts

    News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    Busy week for Apple, Motorola, Samsung and the world's legal systems.
    Read more.

  2. #2
    Gentoo Ricer
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Galway
    Posts
    11,048
    Thanks
    1,016
    Thanked
    944 times in 704 posts
    • aidanjt's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Strix Z370-G
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7-8700K
      • Memory:
      • 2x8GB Corsiar LPX 3000C15
      • Storage:
      • 500GB Samsung 960 EVO
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 970 SC ACX 2.0
      • PSU:
      • EVGA G3 750W
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define C Mini
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Asus MG279Q
      • Internet:
      • 240mbps Virgin Cable

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    And the patent trolling continues unabated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    ...every time Creative bring out a new card range their advertising makes it sound like they have discovered a way to insert a thousand Chuck Norris super dwarfs in your ears...

  3. #3
    Funking Prink! Raz316's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Deal, Kent, UK
    Posts
    2,978
    Thanks
    130
    Thanked
    62 times in 52 posts

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    I've no doubt all of these software patents are funding a whole section of law firms, but honestly can we please do away with them? You should be able to copy ideas and implement your own system, you should not be able to copy systems. The best implementations with reap the best rewards, simple as that.

    As aidanjt says, it's nothing but trolling, trolling that's made entirely to hold back competitors and so, hold back progress.

    I've got to wonder though (as I always seem to with this type of thing that seems so blatantly flawed), am I missing something? Who gains from such enforceable restrictions?

  4. #4
    Gentoo Ricer
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Galway
    Posts
    11,048
    Thanks
    1,016
    Thanked
    944 times in 704 posts
    • aidanjt's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Strix Z370-G
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7-8700K
      • Memory:
      • 2x8GB Corsiar LPX 3000C15
      • Storage:
      • 500GB Samsung 960 EVO
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 970 SC ACX 2.0
      • PSU:
      • EVGA G3 750W
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define C Mini
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Asus MG279Q
      • Internet:
      • 240mbps Virgin Cable

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    Quote Originally Posted by Raz316 View Post
    Who gains from such enforceable restrictions?
    Companies with the most lawyers employed and the most engineers wasting their time explaining technologies to them. And the politicians they bribe to push through more draconian IP laws.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    ...every time Creative bring out a new card range their advertising makes it sound like they have discovered a way to insert a thousand Chuck Norris super dwarfs in your ears...

  5. #5
    Anthropomorphic Personification shaithis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    The Last Aerie
    Posts
    10,857
    Thanks
    645
    Thanked
    872 times in 736 posts
    • shaithis's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77 WS
      • CPU:
      • i7 3770k @ 4.5GHz
      • Memory:
      • 32GB HyperX 1866
      • Storage:
      • Lots!
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire Fury X
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX850
      • Case:
      • Corsair 600T (White)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Dell 3007
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb Fibre

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    *punches air*

    YES

    As much as I hate all this patent BS, Apple started throwing it's weight around and the others have been dragged into it by force.

    Perhaps a few more major loses for Apple and they may start playing nice like everyone else was doing before Apple decided they should be the only people allowed to make smart phones and tablet pcs!
    Main PC: Asus Rampage IV Extreme / 3960X@4.5GHz / Antec H1200 Pro / 32GB DDR3-1866 Quad Channel / Sapphire Fury X / Areca 1680 / 850W EVGA SuperNOVA Gold 2 / Corsair 600T / 2x Dell 3007 / 4 x 250GB SSD + 2 x 80GB SSD / 4 x 1TB HDD (RAID 10) / Windows 10 Pro, Yosemite & Ubuntu
    HTPC: AsRock Z77 Pro 4 / 3770K@4.2GHz / 24GB / GTX 1080 / SST-LC20 / Antec TP-550 / Hisense 65k5510 4K TV / HTC Vive / 2 x 240GB SSD + 12TB HDD Space / Race Seat / Logitech G29 / Win 10 Pro
    HTPC2: Asus AM1I-A / 5150 / 4GB / Corsair Force 3 240GB / Silverstone SST-ML05B + ST30SF / Samsung UE60H6200 TV / Windows 10 Pro
    Spare/Loaner: Gigabyte EX58-UD5 / i950 / 12GB / HD7870 / Corsair 300R / Silverpower 700W modular
    NAS 1: HP N40L / 12GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Arrays || NAS 2: Dell PowerEdge T110 II / 24GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Hybrid arrays || Network:Buffalo WZR-1166DHP w/DD-WRT + HP ProCurve 1800-24G
    Laptop: Dell Precision 5510 Printer: HP CP1515n || Phone: Huawei P30 || Other: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 Pro 10.1 CM14 / Playstation 4 + G29 + 2TB Hybrid drive

  6. Received thanks from:

    [GSV]Trig (03-02-2012),aidanjt (03-02-2012),ajones (03-02-2012),Arthran (03-02-2012),Barrichello (03-02-2012),CAT-THE-FIFTH (03-02-2012),Hicks12 (03-02-2012),Saracen (04-02-2012)

  7. #6
    Senior Member ajones's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Hampshire
    Posts
    1,143
    Thanks
    64
    Thanked
    70 times in 53 posts

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    *punches air*

    YES

    As much as I hate all this patent BS, Apple started throwing it's weight around and the others have been dragged into it by force.

    Perhaps a few more major loses for Apple and they may start playing nice like everyone else was doing before Apple decided they should be the only people allowed to make smart phones and tablet pcs!
    I can't agree with you more. I work in the industry and all this patent litigation is throttling it. I find Apple and Apple-fan-boy stance totally amazing. It's as if only Apple invent mobile device tech, even though they only started making phones 20 years after GSM hit the scene. OK, they have a long history of mobile devices, but complaining when they get his with patent litigation themselves is just hypocritical!

    It's about time they stopped patenting everything and anything remotely relevant, and started considering that they are in a large industry that they shouldn't want to control.

    Right, I'm off to the patent office with an invention to open portals.... I'm gonna call it a "door handle".

  8. #7
    Gentoo Ricer
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Galway
    Posts
    11,048
    Thanks
    1,016
    Thanked
    944 times in 704 posts
    • aidanjt's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Strix Z370-G
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7-8700K
      • Memory:
      • 2x8GB Corsiar LPX 3000C15
      • Storage:
      • 500GB Samsung 960 EVO
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 970 SC ACX 2.0
      • PSU:
      • EVGA G3 750W
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define C Mini
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Asus MG279Q
      • Internet:
      • 240mbps Virgin Cable

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    Can you patent patent trolling? That'd be one epic cash cow.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    ...every time Creative bring out a new card range their advertising makes it sound like they have discovered a way to insert a thousand Chuck Norris super dwarfs in your ears...

  9. Received thanks from:

    MaddAussie (03-02-2012),Saracen (04-02-2012)

  10. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Kingdom of Fife (Scotland)
    Posts
    4,991
    Thanks
    393
    Thanked
    220 times in 190 posts
    • crossy's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS Sabertooth X99
      • CPU:
      • Intel 5830k / Noctua NH-D15
      • Memory:
      • 32GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4
      • Storage:
      • 500GB Samsung 850Pro NVMe, 1TB Samsung 850EVO SSD, 1TB Seagate SSHD, 2TB WD Green, 8TB Seagate
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix GTX970OC
      • PSU:
      • Corsair AX750 (modular)
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster HAF932 (with wheels)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro 64bit, Ubuntu 16.04LTS
      • Monitor(s):
      • LG Flattron W2361V
      • Internet:
      • VirginMedia 200Mb

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    ..., for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
    I'd like to say that I feel sorry for Apple, but in all conscience I don't. As "shaithis" quite correctly says, folks seemed happy to "play nice" for the most part. To be honest I even include Microsoft's "Android Tax" in that.

    No what really got my goat was that Apple's attitude was/is "you're a threat, we'll sue, you'll stop making X" - never any suggestion of "we (Apple) will license our patent to you". So personally speaking Apple using patents the way they do, as "competition poison", is completely immoral - I thought patents were there to allow an innovator to get adequate compensation for their innovation, not to just prevent anyone else who chooses to do something similar from doing it. As a colleague of mine just said "If you build a better mousetrap, then Apple will trademark mice"

    As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter whether iPad3 and/or iPhone5 are technical tour-de-force's, while the company behind those products continues with the sulky toddler approach then I'll take my meagre business elsewhere.
    Last edited by crossy; 03-02-2012 at 03:28 PM.

    Career status: still enjoying my new career in DevOps, but it's keeping me busy...

  11. #9
    Senior Member MaddAussie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Deepest Darkest Dorset
    Posts
    1,708
    Thanks
    628
    Thanked
    297 times in 179 posts
    • MaddAussie's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus ROG Strix Z370G
      • CPU:
      • i7 8700k (5.1Ghz)
      • Memory:
      • 16Gb
      • Storage:
      • 500G 960 EVO NMVE
      • Graphics card(s):
      • GTX 1070
      • PSU:
      • Corsair RM650i
      • Case:
      • Corsair Carbide A1r 240
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • 24" Dell HD + Samsung HD

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Can you patent patent trolling? That'd be one epic cash cow.
    OMG you sir are a genius!


    Isn't salad what food eats??

  12. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    375
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    13 times in 13 posts

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    Apple had it coming to them, if you're going throw frivolous lawsuits about because a competitors product looks like your own you'd better be sure that your own house is in order first.

    It would seem the '3G' part of apples recent devices infringe patents both from Moto and Samsung, just because both patents fall under 'fair and reasonable use licensing' doesn't mean you can use them without paying for them and then go crying to the EU that they want to much money for it.

    Apple have knowingly broken these patents as both companies offered to license them the tech but they refused to pay and continued anyway.

  13. #11
    Oh Crumbs.... Biscuit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    N. Yorkshire
    Posts
    11,193
    Thanks
    1,394
    Thanked
    1,091 times in 833 posts
    • Biscuit's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI B450M Mortar
      • CPU:
      • AMD 2700X (Be Quiet! Dark Rock 3)
      • Memory:
      • 16GB Patriot Viper 2 @ 3466MHz
      • Storage:
      • 500GB WD Black
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire R9 290X Vapor-X
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic Focus Gold 750W
      • Case:
      • Lian Li PC-V359
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Internet:
      • BT Infinity 80/20

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    *punches air*

    YES

    As much as I hate all this patent BS, Apple started throwing it's weight around and the others have been dragged into it by force.

    Perhaps a few more major loses for Apple and they may start playing nice like everyone else was doing before Apple decided they should be the only people allowed to make smart phones and tablet pcs!
    I agree, Apple should have expected a backlash from a company with a lot more solid ground int he industry they are in and its finally happened. I cant see this changing a damn thing though, apple will just fight fire with more fire.

    They refuse to co-exist with android for some barmy reason. The way i see it, android drives them to develop better and more advanced devices and their rather smug elitist approach to advertising means people will continue buying them. Apples market share might battle it out with android but in the whole, apple do the best out of the current eco-system. Dont they?

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Can you patent patent trolling? That'd be one epic cash cow.
    Perhaps an auto-troll app or widget?

  14. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    1,474
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked
    140 times in 116 posts
    • BobF64's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77-V Pro
      • CPU:
      • Intel Core i7-3770K
      • Memory:
      • 16GB Corsair XMS3 PC3-12800
      • Storage:
      • Multiple HDD and SSD drives
      • Graphics card(s):
      • ASUS DUAL-GTX1060-06G
      • PSU:
      • 750W Silverstone Strider Gold Evolution
      • Case:
      • Silverstone Fortress FT02
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • HP ZR24w

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    Quote Originally Posted by ajones View Post
    Right, I'm off to the patent office with an invention to open portals.... I'm gonna call it a "door handle".
    Nah, at least be creative, call it a "Portal Lever" or "Ambulatory Inhibitor Disengagement Device".

  15. Received thanks from:

    Shooty* (04-02-2012)

  16. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    1,894
    Thanks
    92
    Thanked
    84 times in 64 posts
    • miniyazz's system
      • CPU:
      • Acer Aspire 8920G
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Optoma HD700X projector @ c. 90"
      • Internet:
      • Really, really ****

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    Apple deserve what they get TBH, they started this whole fiasco and I hope they get burned for it.

    I don't quite understand this though:
    At this stage the iCloud permanent injunction is "preliminarily enforceable", meaning that it is open to appeal, however Motorola may seek to enforce the injunction if it's willing to place forwards an £83 million bond.
    Does that mean Apple can continue to use it unless Motorola pay someone £83 million? Seems odd

  17. #14
    Hooning about Hoonigan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    2,269
    Thanks
    161
    Thanked
    432 times in 306 posts
    • Hoonigan's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI MEG X570 ACE
      • CPU:
      • AMD Ryzen 7 3800X
      • Memory:
      • 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB
      • Storage:
      • 2x 2TB Gigabyte NVMe 4.0
      • Graphics card(s):
      • MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 VENTUS OC
      • PSU:
      • be quiet! Straight Power 11 Platinum 750W
      • Case:
      • Corsair Crystal Series 680X
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Acer Predator Z35P + ASUS ROG PG279Q + ASUS ROG VG279
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media Vivid 350

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    My photos aren't uploading into the iCloud on my phone anymore.

    I'm usually able to pull them straight down within about 30s of taking it, on my PC or MacBook, but they're not going up..

    Does anyone know if the iCloud is down already?

  18. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Kingdom of Fife (Scotland)
    Posts
    4,991
    Thanks
    393
    Thanked
    220 times in 190 posts
    • crossy's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS Sabertooth X99
      • CPU:
      • Intel 5830k / Noctua NH-D15
      • Memory:
      • 32GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4
      • Storage:
      • 500GB Samsung 850Pro NVMe, 1TB Samsung 850EVO SSD, 1TB Seagate SSHD, 2TB WD Green, 8TB Seagate
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix GTX970OC
      • PSU:
      • Corsair AX750 (modular)
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster HAF932 (with wheels)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro 64bit, Ubuntu 16.04LTS
      • Monitor(s):
      • LG Flattron W2361V
      • Internet:
      • VirginMedia 200Mb

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    Perhaps an auto-troll app or widget?
    Oh, you mean something like:
    Patent trolling? ... There's an app for that (tm) Apple Computer Inc 2009 (according to http://www.trademarkia.com/theres-an...-77980556.html)
    Quote Originally Posted by BobF64 View Post
    (ajones: Right, I'm off to the patent office with an invention to open portals.... I'm gonna call it a "door handle") Nah, at least be creative, call it a "Portal Lever" or "Ambulatory Inhibitor Disengagement Device".
    Nope, going to sell my design to Apple - hopefully they'll go with my name suggestion too ... iOpen.

    Then I'm going to use my license money to design a follow up - with a lock this time ... iClose2.

    Career status: still enjoying my new career in DevOps, but it's keeping me busy...

  19. #16
    Gordy Gordy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Bristol
    Posts
    3,805
    Thanks
    63
    Thanked
    72 times in 50 posts

    Re: News - Products pulled as Motorola wins permanent iCloud injunction

    Looks like Apple have now got this temporarily over turned.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16877438

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •