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Am I the only person who prefers Process Explorer to the new task manager?
I think what you describe as "teenagers who just want a glorified smart phone" is actually the majority of real people, and what you refer to as "real people" is something you're extrapolating from your own case scenario, which is actually extremely limited and in fact fairly disconnected from the real world (no social networks, no cloud services, third party security software, etc. - you're basically running your PC as if it's still the 1990's). Nothing wrong with that, I don't use any social networks myself, but you'll have to accept the rest of the world has moved on.Originally Posted by tickleonthetum
Not bothered yet.
I am fairly sure my next machine will be Linux only, instead of dual boot.
If the retail price is anything over £25 I ain't considering it.
For me it smells marketing, hardsell and at some sense, cheap.
Might looks good for handheld (smartphone, etc.), but for tablet size I'll look something else.
I stare at 27" monitor 7 hours a day. Definitely will keep 7 and leave Metro out of question.
Sorry..
The paragon of Windows user interface:
Everything since then was a pointless regressive eyecandy blemish.
Completely disagree.
Windows Key + typing a string.
I love that one.
'Smart' searching, taking into account the fact that I've gigabytes of RAM and oodles of CPU to spare, making it suggest what I might want. That is the best thing.
What I hate about win 8, is that I'm a keyboard man, even in WIMP apps, I like to Tab, Space & Enter my way about. Win 8 seems to have devolved away from touch. There is a reason why playing the Piano is easier than a Thermon!
throw new ArgumentException (String, String, Exception)
Actually, there are plenty of commandline applications which communicate with facebook users, mount filesystems connected to 'cloud services', etc... Having a stable, sane software base doesn't mean disconnecting yourself from the rest of the world.
Useful for granny, not so much for me. For me, finding files is a solved problem, by sanely structuring my directory hierarchies (i.e. actually using them), I eliminate search ambiguity and time wasted looking for it.
But you're right, it has its uses, and Microsoft could have easily integrated it into the win2k start menu without the grotesque application of modern day software bloat.
pfft, you think in such simplistic tree dimensional terms. I want my win FS.
What about versioned things, shared OneNotes.
You want to find a string, it might be in PDF, an email, a oneNote etc.
These are everyday problems for me, for the finding a file, 90% of the time its a CTRL+SHIFT+T issue...
throw new ArgumentException (String, String, Exception)
A) This is has got nothing to do with what I was referring to. B) When you start blabbering about CLI programs you're basically disconnected from anything resembling modern mainstream computer use.
It has plenty to do with what you're talking about. It just went right over your head. CLI and modern computer usage aren't mutually exclusive. Even if you're entirely ignorant about CLI use, you could have gleamed that from what I replied to you. Even in a purely tty (teletype terminal, for those who don't know about computing history) environment without any graphical desktop at all, framebuffer interfaces allow you to watch movies, view photos, play music, browse the internet, peer to peer file share, edit files, write and build software (even web apps), find files, search file contents, chat, email, and on and on. Your limited imagination isn't at all relevant to what minimal programmes can and can not do.
As people here have said, the lack of a start menu on the desktop is not good as we are now forced to use the 'touch-screen' designed interface with our mouse. If you had a touch screen monitor then maybe it would not be so bad, but the majority of desktop & laptop users will not have touch screen monitors. Hopefully the original start menu back by popular demand !?!
Do people still use the icons in their start menu?! winkey+type = vroooooom to your file. Or i bypass that and win+E and use the favs. I'd miss that if it had gone, luckily it's still all there. OK this may not be everyone's cup of tea but it's not all bad, the threading improvements will surely be worth a look in?
cheers
brasc
Love the idea that MS are "comfortable" enough with this to release a CP.
Unfortunately, the fact that it doesn't appear to "do" any screen smaller than 1024x768 and my VirtualBox screen is slightly smaller makes it harder to use than it would be.
Seriously not impressed (so far) with the UI, even less impressed that it seems to "encourage" you to link your PC with your online MS presence. Think Saracen will be giving this a big "avoid".
That said, there's bit's and pieces that I do like, so perhaps my current disenchantment with the UI will go once I slap it on a proper PC (well, very old Acer laptop at least). Still reminds me too much of Canonical's "Unity" interface - i.e. something obviously designed for tablets that has been forced stalin-like on everyone. But then again, I've only had a play with it for a couple of minutes, so perhaps more familiarity will reduce the level of contempt.
Pretty sure that the teenie and "cloud enabled" (TwitBookG+) folks will love it though.
Career status: still enjoying my new career in DevOps, but it's keeping me busy...
Step backwards in my opinion, feels like MS are trying to force a tables/touchscreen on everyone. I have tried to use it since the Developer Preview on a laptop, and it just feels wrong for a corporate environment never mind a home use PC. On my corporate PC's there are a few apps so the metro menu wouldnt be too large. However on my home PC there is a lot of software installed, so the metro interface would end up huge. Just look at your OS file system that is nested for a reason, same as the start menu, lets you logically group shortcuts in locations you choose, making it easier to find. I use a android tablet, and it can be a real pain to find a little used application as i cant group apps into folders, going to be exactly the same for windows 8.
Again nothing to do with what I said. You were the one that brought up commandline applications. Look at the original post I was replying to, it was tickleonthetum who mentioned that he doesn't use social networking sites, etc. I can't believe you're this obtuse.
Just to clarify, even though it wasn't my original point in this thread, but rather something you brought up, CLI applications are obviously far detached from modern mainstream computer usage, not because of what they can and can't do, but because of the simple fact that no regular computer user wants to use the commandline in this century. You're assuming I'm ignorant of CLI use, and you're wrong, but I'm not talking about people like us, I'm referring to the real world, something you seem incapable of relating to.
My original point, before you hijacked it with your bizarre CLI based rant, was that tickleonthetum was negatively judging Windows 8 based on his admittedly limited and dated usage patterns, but failed to realise it. e.g.
My point was that users he tries to classify as "real people" are actually closer to "teenagers who just want a glorified smart phone" than they are to people like him. That's what modern computer use is about (for better or worse depending on personal opinion), and that's why Windows 8 is catering to those users (the majority) and not people like him. Try reading things in context next time.
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