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    Re: News - Nikon launches new entry-level DSLR, the D3200

    Thanks CAT-THE-FIFTH. Seems like there is no perfect mirrorless atm. I have heard quite few reviews about Panasonic Lumix GH2. Released in 2010 I know.. But seems like people still praise it. Oliviatech dot com has shown some pretty impressive shots. Shoots 720p @ 60fps so reasonable. Sony NEX 7 looks a beast but well overpriced (like discounted Leica..), same goes for 5N. Not sure about Nex 5, what's the difference between this and Nex 5N :/

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    Re: News - Nikon launches new entry-level DSLR, the D3200

    The NEX5N added the Sony 16MP sensor which replaced the 14MP one in the NEX5. However,it seems the NEX5 can do 1080i at 60FPS:


    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonynex5n/2

    However,it can do it at 17MBPS.

    It seems the A580 also does 1080i at 60FPS:

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra580/2

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    Re: News - Nikon launches new entry-level DSLR, the D3200

    I have looked again at hours of videos of Sony, Panasonic and Fuji and Nikon mirrorless cameras. Reviews, previews, sample videos, photos, low light, slow motion, the lot.
    Then.. I looked at random Canon 600D video. Everything I looked at before just fades out. The quality, warmth and smoothness of the video nothing to compare to point and shoot, mirrorless or whatever other lower end cameras. I am so going for 600D or 650D in next month or so.
    Thanks everyone for info. I have looked back again and.. it wasn't worth it. DSLR is my thing.

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    Re: News - Nikon launches new entry-level DSLR, the D3200

    Video quality has nothing to do with the camera type though. An SLR is called an SLR due to the reflex mirror needed for live viewing of still images. If you look at the Canon high end video cameras which have large sensors such as the C300 I mentioned before they use an electronic viewfinder and have no reflex mirror.

    The mirrorless cameras use large sensors and are NOT point and shoot cameras and are NOT "low end". They are the digital equivalent of the traditional rangefinder form-factor(the shape not the camera type). A Leica M9 can hardly be called low end and neither can cameras like the A77 or X PRO 1. The Sony cameras I mentioned ALL use APS-C sensors just like the Canon and Nikon cameras do and in fact most of the Nikon sensors are made by Sony. The Olympus and Panasonic cameras use a smaller sensor than APS-C size. The Nikon 1 system uses a small 1" sensor which has a higher depth of field than most mirrorless cameras apart from the Pentax Q and it can only shot video at 1080i at 60FPS.

    The Fuji X PRO 1 OTH,is designed primarily as a still image camera and is a rangefinder. It can challenge the Leica M9 in still image quality which is amazing and is targeted at a totally different level. It lacks an AA filter which does not make it the greatest choice for video but it can resolve an amazing amount of detail.

    The following chart is a comparison of typical consumer camera relative sensor area.



    The Sony HX9V uses a 1/2.3" sensor. The highest end prosumer compacts like my Canon S95 tend to use 1/1.7" and a few might use 2/3" but the latter is rarer.

    Also,funny you talk about smoothness. The 600D can barely do 24FPS to 30FPS at 1080p:

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos600d/2

    You have just disproved that you actually NEED 60FPS at 1080p.

    Like I said the A65 and A57 only do 1080p at 60FPS at 28MBPS,and 30FPS at 24MBPS. The Canon 600D AFAIK uses a variable bitrate - one forum I read says it seems closer to 30MBPS on average and that is at 30FPS. As I mentioned before it is worth checking what bitrate the cameras are using and certainly the Sony cameras are losing image quality at higher framerates.

    Unfortunately,most camera companies are not really open about the exact MBPS used but just list resolution and framerates instead.

    You can hack the firmware on the Canon cameras to raise the bitrate manually but you invalidate the warranty. Its one of the reasons that I would only ever buy a Canon if I were doing any astro work as even my ancient Canon S60 had custom firmware people made for it.

    The other Panasonic and Olympus cameras are doing 1080i which is worse than 1080p.
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    Re: News - Nikon launches new entry-level DSLR, the D3200

    BTW,more details of the hacks for the 600D:

    http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Bit_rate

    http://www.eoshd.com/content/6623/ca...ates-hdr-video

    According to that website the standard bitrate is around 36MBPS(others have said around 30MBPS so you will need to confirm this).

    The website said they managed to push the camera up to 35FPS at 1080p.

    It seems the GH2 has similar hacks too:

    http://www.43rumors.com/first-gh2-vi...c-26mm-review/

    http://www.eoshd.com/content/3463/gh...-avchd-108024p

    http://www.learnwebvideo.net/panason...1080-possible/

    It improves the video output to 1080p at over 40MBPS!! A big improvement over 20MBPS at 1080i.

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    Re: News - Nikon launches new entry-level DSLR, the D3200

    Cat, he's fixed on the Canon, let it go We both know a Nex5N is better for his uses but he's going to enjoy being a canon fan more. That fact he considers other systems low end but not the 600 shows he's too far gone

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    Re: News - Nikon launches new entry-level DSLR, the D3200

    I wish the Fuji X Pro 1 had a low end price tag - I would finally be able to afford one..........sigh!



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    Re: News - Nikon launches new entry-level DSLR, the D3200

    even if he has gone full fantard, I still found Cat's research interesting.

    I really don't do any video, yet own some capable devices.
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    Re: News - Nikon launches new entry-level DSLR, the D3200

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Cat, he's fixed on the Canon, let it go We both know a Nex5N is better for his uses but he's going to enjoy being a canon fan more. That fact he considers other systems low end but not the 600 shows he's too far gone
    The NEX5N does look a nice all round package(tried and tested 16MP sensor) and it has really good still image quality. But I was looking at a comparison of the 600D,GH2 and NEX5N for video and the GH2 seems to edge out the others!

    Even,on a Canon owners website the GH2 is rated better:

    http://www.eoshd.com/content/617/can...-which-is-best

    http://www.eoshd.com/content/4279/ho...-video-quality

    Edit!!

    It even seems to do very well against the A65:

    http://www.eoshd.com/content/6616/sh...-vs-canon-600d

    It seems if the A65 files had a higher bitrate it might win(silly Sony).

    !



    Technically speaking it uses a lower bitrate and a smaller sensor than both the Canon and Sony cameras but it seems the camera is better optimised for video. The GH3 is going to be mighty interesting.

    Edit!!

    The articles on EosHD don't clarify if they are testing the cameras with hacked firmware or production firmware.

    This paragraph from the last article is funny:

    "We have waited far too long for a replacement image processor that does video well. As a result, Canon DSLRs have the softest image and the most moire out of any current 1080p DSLR. It isn’t a good showing but as we have seen the popularity for video of these cameras has been stratospheric thanks to good availability, famous filmmaker endorsements, massive existing user-base, huge lens selection and a lot of very well shot footage by pros."
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    Re: News - Nikon launches new entry-level DSLR, the D3200

    Installling magiclanten on various canon dslr actually transforms those camera's into awsome video camera's!

    Anyways are all AF points cross type on this new nikon body?

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    Re: News - Nikon launches new entry-level DSLR, the D3200

    Thanks for replies guys. I did consider GF3, GH2, NEX 5N and Alpha Translucent camera range. Alpha so far has most promise. As for other mentioned they are either too pricey and hard to control (confusing menus on Nex 5N) or just hard to control (Lumix cameras). I am focusing on Canon and Alphas since menus are where they should be and performance is quite good. I rather opt for 720p 60FPS and better image than 1080P 60FPS but worse picture (GF3 users complain of high noise indoors). Have to read more since CAT-THE-FIFTH keeps pointing out my weaknesses

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    Re: News - Nikon launches new entry-level DSLR, the D3200

    Just to add, while Sony Alpha A57 and A65 are great cameras the resale value is way lower than any canon EOS model. People just don't trust Sony (especially after their losses in recent years).
    I doubt I would hold on to DSLR or Translucent Mirror or even Mirorless camera for longer than year, maybe two max. So the resale value comes into play here too. Hence the wait for EOS 650D.

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    Re: News - Nikon launches new entry-level DSLR, the D3200

    I doubt that it is to do with a matter of trust. Sony is relatively newer, with a smaller user base. That said, the A57 is not even out yet, the A65 can be bought new for about £700 and sells for about £550. The 60d can also be bought for about £750, and sells for about.. £550 (going by sold prices on Ebay - and a few had kit lenses in the deal). Now granted the A65 is a newer camera, and push come to shove the Canon may well retain their value better.. but I doubt that it's "way lower", and the least of your problem if you are planning on changing cameras every 1-2 years. I'd even say that all camera bodies take a pretty big hit within the first year (the 60d's price drop from over £1000 to £800 within 3 months) and even more whenever a successor's release is imminent. Not saying that you should not wait and see if you can to see what the 650d will bring.

    Note: I am a happy A65 user, but I have not invested enough into the system to be a "fan". I know that the A65 has it's weaknesses, but it is also very feature rich (I wanted GPS and HDR f). And I've decided that for my first non-P&S camera, I would go for features over absolute image/video quality. The low light performance may not be comparable to Nikon's best, it's still a large stop forward over P&S. After I've learned how to take better pictures and which features I actually use, I shall make a jump to full frame that suits my need (may not be a Sony).

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